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I stand by my statement. Plus I'm sure there are people out there who enjoy poopy butts. I for one think the idea of anal sex is appalling but I wouldn't say that those who enjoy it are doing it wrong. Perspective is a lot, but understanding different perspectives is everything.

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That's purely subjective, no? I'm still playing the game because I do find aspects of it enjoyable. I do not, however, seriously PvP or seriously raid anymore because I don't find those aspects of the game enjoyable like I did back in vanilla/BC. But I had a blast meeting new people while farming Shadowmourne/Val'anyr. I doubt you'd find that as enjoyable as I did, but that doesn't mean that your form of enjoyment in the game (PvP I think?) is any superior to mine (alts, legendaries, achieves).

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Actually it is not subjective, because whether I have stopped playing the game or not or whether I personally enjoy it or not are quite objective.

Rather, this is a case of begging the question on multiple counts.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Spoken as someone who's never played those games. Pro Smash players (lol) still play Melee, because it's a far superior skill check.

DotA? Sure, that one can stay, though the main reason it has even stayed alive is because of the popularity and accessibility of League of Legends, which is fun and clever and DotA-ish but MOBAs in general don't have particularly high skillcaps because you've got at best four abilities and most of it rides on how well your draft counters their draft.

SC2 is valid, no question.

EvE? Laughable beyond belief. There is nothing even remotely close to "skill" associated with EvE. Nothing. Have you played it? I have. Your reaction time is meaningless. Your situational awareness is meaningless. Your ability to prioritize targets is the only thing that matters, and unless you're the squadron leader, you're one of 15 other people just assisting and shooting whatever target you're told. EvE is absolutely fantastic in all respects except gameplay, because it has none. It's one of the best ideas ever, but it's not a game. EvE is competitive the same way investment banking is competitive, not in the way a sport is competitive.

That you even added CoD makes it obvious you've never played an FPS in your life. If you'd said Quake or Unreal or even Tribes, you'd have had a point. I can state, quite factually, that CoD has a lower skillcap than even playing a Death Knight did in season 5. Even in a completely random WoW BG, you're likely to have generally better players (because they're on PCs, for starters) than you'd find in a random CoD match.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Tuhl FTW.



I played Quake online back when I was like 12...fragging college kids with mah rockets. Come at me bro.

None of what you said debunked my point and the only point I was unaware of was the dominance of melee in SSB.

The fact that DotA has a low skill cap or that EvE is a financial challenge designed for sociopathic accountants and programmers doesn't debunk my central argument that those games are all to a one infinitely more competitive than WoW BGs, which counters Meowth's argument that his pursuit is inherently more worthwhile than mine.



I am severely allergic to most FPSs. Goldeneye in particular is so incompatible with my mental configuration that even watching others play it causes me to get a high fever and throw up.

That said, this point I'll cede. I added CoD mostly as an extreme fringe example. Believe me, I do not think well of CoD players, and the fact I've never played the game has not stopped me from easily identifying those that have filtered into WoW.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Unreal Tournament.

Am I the only one who has played Brawl+?

It's like melee for brawl except less gay.

This thread was better when it was about Panda happiness explosions.

FACT: Pandas are more closely related to raccoons than bears.

Next time you see or think about pandas, just think of it as a grumpy diabetic raccoon.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm actually kind of surprised you don't play EvE, Aestu. It's a game designed for compulsive overachieving nerds who love data points. I guess it kind of requires interpersonal skills for the purposes of joining corporations, but somehow I suspect most of the big ones have no problem with mild sociopaths.

Pandas though. Featuring mixed martial arts.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

There are good reasons I don't.

First and foremost, the game has extremely high barriers to entry: the incredible, insurmountable amounts of wealth that established players have, the extreme complexity of the game, the long-term relationships and cliques that are the essence of the game...and of course the real-time levelling system, which guarantees any new players will always be so far behind, even with the curve.

Contrary to popular belief, I'm not a sociopath. I'm arrogant, judgemental, presumptuous, and self-centered, and I have a fiendishly cruel sense of justice, but I do consider myself a deeply moral person. I'm also fairly proud and rigid, which hinders my ability to function as an organization man. This would make it very difficult for me to fit in EvE just as it would in a corp irl.

...Did I displease or offend you in some way, Tuhl?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You didn't. I was just simplifying in unfair terms. I was honestly curious why you didn't play EvE though, since at first glance it seems the sort of environment you might flourish in. It's in space, there's the competition (not twitch or skill-based, but still present as you correctly pointed out before), and there's plenty of information to slog through acting as a screen against careless/driveless/bad players.

Barriers to entry are of course a big problem, and I don't disagree with any particular part of your analysis. To reiterate my previous comment, EvE is fantastic in every way except the critical one: it isn't a game.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

If you don't want 50% of your current friend pool to shut you down, maybe you shouldn't make such stupid statements and then, since you're never wrong, try to argue against facts.

I had a good laugh at the CoD and SSBB ones, btw.

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Statistically speaking 9 / 10 people enjoy gang rape.

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