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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:37 pm  
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What say you now, Weena? Still think your guns will protect you from tyranny?


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:42 pm  
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A. The fuck are you talking about?
B. I don't have any guns.


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:50 pm  
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Weena wrote:
B. I don't have any guns.


You poor bastard : [


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:05 pm  
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"Ok we aren't such things and birds are pretty advanced. They fly and shit from anywhere they want. While we sit on our automatic toilets, they're shitting on people and my car while a cool breeze tickles their anus. That's the life."
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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:48 pm  
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The point I am making is that you fret about freedom and think that the only threat to your island comes from the state. When there is a legitimate threat to your island, not that someone will take it by storm or tax it, but make it sink into the ocean, you don't even recognize it.

You are dismissive of the liberal doctrine that mastery of old books is the best and only defense of freedom. It is not only the information and ideas in those books that is important, but learning the habits of free thought - seeing the world with both eyes open. That, and having a frame of reference: alternatives, comparisons, to the here and now.

Proof being that you amongst many did not even notice the change and now that it is pointed out to you, you don't recognize the importance.

So I'll explain it to you in terms so simple you need not have read any books to understand:

Feminists did this because they think it will help them get your stuff.

Why else? Is this an effort to make the pie bigger, or cut into your slice?
Over the long term mind you. But that is the goal, surely enough.

But that can't happen unless I let it, you say.

Implying conscious choice. But you didn't make the choice, did you? The feminists have the good sense to not try that tack. They know something you don't. I suppose cattle don't think humans know something they don't, either.

You laugh at me, but the joke's on you. You just don't realize it yet.

What you must do, and will not, is change how you approach the notion of freedom - defining it, protecting it. And take the power of words more seriously.


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:53 pm  
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I'm sure you could have found a better example to illustrate your point than this.


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:04 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
I'm sure you could have found a better example to illustrate your point than this.


I could be equally sure someone else would have found it first.

Either way, that's clearly not the case, now is it? Were you able to find eve this at all? Yet it exists all the same.

Not everything is so easy or obvious as we'd like, even when its right in front of us. The battle goes to the strong - or the clever. Second-guessing that is folly.


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:04 pm  
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The least you could do is have the grace to retract your initial comment.


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:01 pm  
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Interesting find. I can't say I'm that surprised -- GC's forum posts that involve hypothetical characters/players traditionally have an obvious 50/50 split in gender pronouns, which I always thought was a laughable P.C. maneuver.


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:13 pm  
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I agree there are instances where feminism has had poor effects on games, for example the mad generated by the greeting of the Pandaren leader.

This instance however, you've blown it out of proportion, and have extrapolated it into feminism eroding freedom.

Which it has, particularly when it comes to associations. But it's a huge leap from this instance of slight word change in a tiny emote to that. It's almost like alarmism.

Your observation in this scenario, with emote wording being changed from 'Vizier retracts it's shield' to 'Vizier retracts her shield', is really a poor example that detracts from what is otherwise a valid point.

I'm wondering if anything would have been seen out of place had the wording changed from "it's" to "his".


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:37 pm  
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Alopex wrote:
Interesting find. I can't say I'm that surprised -- GC's forum posts that involve hypothetical characters/players traditionally have an obvious 50/50 split in gender pronouns, which I always thought was a laughable P.C. maneuver.


I think that's generous to men. He always makes a point of referring to his hypothetical paladin players in the feminine.

GC is a human chimera. Everything about the man is manufactured unreality and betrays deeper issues in society (hurr durr).

He's billed as a game design genius when in reality he has been a lead for only one other game, and came to Bliz after the developer went bust because...guess. He's billed as a moonlighting marine biologist when in reality he was forced into a career change after even a marginal public university wouldn't give him tenure.

Every experience I've ever read from disinterested people who have met the homely, potato-looking man is like meeting the Wizard of Oz. He's consistently portrayed as a graceless and nervous individual who furtively smokes cheap cigarettes (on a seven digit income) and tries way too hard to be funny.

That's the kind of man of cardboard you wind up with when PC becomes a substitute for talent.
That's Weena's video game island sinking into the ocean.

Jokes are cracked about how his hobbies include "nerfing paladins" when in reality, it has been exclusively under GC's watch that paladins went from being decidedly underpowered to being game-breakingly faceroll and overpowered. It has been GC who has continuously simplified their mechanics and given them ever-more-powerful tools.

Eventually, you realize it's not even an oversight; the unreality is almost an end onto itself. That's what happens when you have to make steak out of grizzle. When reality doesn't work, deny it and invent something else. When the rules of reality fail, invent new ones.

And here we are.

Weena wrote:
I agree there are instances where feminism has had poor effects on games, for example the mad generated by the greeting of the Pandaren leader.

This instance however, you've blown it out of proportion, and have extrapolated it into feminism eroding freedom.

Which it has, particularly when it comes to associations. But it's a huge leap from this instance of slight word change in a tiny emote to that. It's almost like alarmism.

Your observation in this scenario, with emote wording being changed from 'Vizier retracts it's shield' to 'Vizier retracts her shield', is really a poor example that detracts from what is otherwise a valid point.


There are two discrete, but related, issues at work:
1. PC comes at the cost of genuine creative efforts (sit down, Ms. Rand), resulting in crappy games
2. Efforts to hijack video games as a means to influence people, undermining free thought

Weena wrote:
I'm wondering if anything would have been seen out of place had the wording changed from "it's" to "his".


Do you seriously think such a thing would happen at all?

This choice was made due to politics, not as some sort of fix.


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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:44 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:49 pm  
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We need to make more assumptions about what happened here and the process that it happened in.




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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:54 pm  
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Gloria Steinem was raiding when she used her macro to determine the sex of the boss in the dungeon. It was a female but referred to as an it. Outraged, she complained. Blizzard ceased all development on Mists of Pandaria to discuss this issue and how to resolve it. WoW had to be re-coded from the ground up to change a line of text.

This is why WoW is now shit.
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 Post subject: Re: You Think I'm Crazy When I Say Feminists Ruin Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:20 pm  
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Ahhh i thought this was about the item that dropped, like it was some weird period reference or something.

I WAS WRONG.


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