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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:21 pm  
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It's funny that you guys don't know what this is:

http://images.onlineuniversity.net.s3.a ... -girls.gif

Note the domain name:

onlineuniversity.net

That is an infographic they created to "bait" people into linking to their site. They will turn around and sell the site for possibly millions.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:53 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
It's funny that you guys don't know what this is:

http://images.onlineuniversity.net.s3.a ... -girls.gif

Note the domain name:

onlineuniversity.net

That is an infographic they created to "bait" people into linking to their site. They will turn around and sell the site for possibly millions.


I uh... I don't get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:56 pm  
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I uh... I don't get it.


If someone wants to buy the domain name, "onlineuniversity.net", they're gonna have to pony up more cash if there's more traffic on said site. I'm pretty sure that's what he's talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:16 pm  
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Mns wrote:
Xeoni wrote:
I uh... I don't get it.


If someone wants to buy the domain name, "onlineuniversity.net", they're gonna have to pony up more cash if there's more traffic on said site. I'm pretty sure that's what he's talking about.


Pretty much...but it's more that "onlineuniversity.net" now has a ton of links, and will therefore be ranking much better in Google for competitive terms. It's also a site in the education niche, which is highly profitable - so huge companies will be willing to pay big bucks for the site.

I hope you all enjoyed your crash course in "how to make money on the internet" ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:40 am  
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Women find men with confidence and assertiveness attractive. Power is the single greatest motivator for female sexual attraction, no matter the setting.

Believe it or don't, I really don't care, but Simone is far from the only female that has reacted to me in that way in a WoW context. And I know that they're not flirting for epics, because I don't give them stuff - they give me stuff, even without being put upon.

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Pretty much...but it's more that "onlineuniversity.net" now has a ton of links, and will therefore be ranking much better in Google for competitive terms. It's also a site in the education niche, which is highly profitable - so huge companies will be willing to pay big bucks for the site.

I hope you all enjoyed your crash course in "how to make money on the internet" ;)


Whether it's Yahoo or OUnet, I suppose there's one born every minute.

Someone going to pay millions for that address? Maybe, it's a lot less likely now than in 1998.
Recup investment? Well -

$1M for site
$0.001 advertising revenue per visit

To recup their investment, they'd have to have over a billion visitors over the effective lifetime of the site. Do you see that happening, Azelma?


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:18 pm  
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It's not just for advertising. They might actually be using the site for something education-related, and would consider the site valuable because traffic already driven there will give them a higher showing in searches.

I still don't think anyone these days is going to pay a million dollars for a web domain, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:50 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Someone going to pay millions for that address? Maybe, it's a lot less likely now than in 2006.


Fix't. EDU has been contracting a bit (especially with how tough Google rankings are becoming), but as recently as '06 domains were routinely going for that amount. Some still can.

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Recup investment? Well -

$1M for site
$0.001 advertising revenue per visit

To recup their investment, they'd have to have over a billion visitors over the effective lifetime of the site. Do you see that happening, Azelma?


You're assuming that the only revenue stream is advertising clicks/impressions, so that they only want visitors for that reason. If the site is set up to sell edu leads...they can earn anywhere from $25-$200 per lead (possibly more depending on their relationships with schools). Let's say it's something like $150 per lead...the site has a ton of traffic, good ranking, and does a modest 100 leads a month off of their massive traffic (assuming they have a typical 2% conversion rate)...they are earning $15,0000 a month on it - in one year that's a $180,000 (assuming absolutely zero growth, which is unlikely). They could recoup their investment in 5-6 years (again assuming absolutely zero growth).

I'm just throwing numbers around, but yes...absolutely someone could pay 1M for a site. Less likely in today's environment? Absolutely. But it is still very possible given the right circumstances.

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I still don't think anyone these days is going to pay a million dollars for a web domain, though.


Can you guys just trust me on this one?


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:35 pm  
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1k+ leads is equivalent to this one site providing a number of decisive referrals equal to about a quarter the annual enrollment of a large public university. I flatly don't see that happening, and the education bubble is about to burst anyway. Smart money moves away.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:09 am  
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Aestu wrote:
1k+ leads is equivalent to this one site providing a number of decisive referrals equal to about a quarter the annual enrollment of a large public university. I flatly don't see that happening, and the education bubble is about to burst anyway. Smart money moves away.


Couple Points:

1.) You can be paid for a lead even if they don't actually enroll at the University...that's why they are called leads
2.) You can also sell leads to companies that have better relationships with the universities (IE: work directly with them), and then split the total cost of a lead. So if a University will pay $300 for a lead, you could split that cost with another company. This further removes you from any enrollment rate issues.
3.) It seems like you're assuming that you can only deliver leads to one university...you can send leads to dozens upon dozens of different universities

Aestu - I work in the industry and I know infinitely more about this than you do. If you choose to ignore this fact, then you are being willfully ignorant for fear of admitting that mouthbreathing Azelma knows more about something than you do.

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the education bubble is about to burst anyway. Smart money moves away.


You're right on this point. Though I don't think the industry is going to simply vanish. It will contract though.



Anyway, we're getting into dangerous pissing contest territory so I will take my leave - good day, sir.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:40 am  
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When you say "removes you from any enrollment rate issues", I assume you are roleplaying as the referral service.

If the goal is to be "removed" from the "issue", because decisive enrollments aren't happening, then, looking at it from the university's point of view (never mind the raw meat "students"), what's the incentive to spend money on this? Conversely, if the enrollments are happening then why try to distance the referral service from the favorable metrics?

And if you agree the bubble is about to burst, then why are you arguing this shit is worth anything?

Yeah, you work in the industry, and obviously you understand the mechanics, but you're far, far from the first person in an industry to be missing the forest (imminent collapse) for the trees (the day-to-day here-and-now "overexuberance" of passing worthless commodities back and forth).

Can't you see? This is what happens before every bubble bursts, the guys who are in on it kind of know it's coming, but they can't quite get out of their complacency. Then one day, the future is now and they lose their shirts.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:14 pm  
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Company A works with University A.

Company A delivers them leads and has specific enrollment rate requirements from University A. So for every X amount of leads bought by University A, they expect a certain # to enroll and become students.

Company A also works with Company B and Company C and buys their leads...and turns around and sells those leads to University A. Company A can control how many leads they buy from B and C, and can figure out which companies leads are better....and adjust accordingly.

Company B and C are "removed" slightly from enrollment rate issues because they work with Company A...which may have slightly more lenient requirements than University A...since they work with other companies that may have higher enrollment rates to make up the difference and so on. They still have standards, but they can sometimes be less stringent.

That's what I meant.
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Also, the site in question would have organic traffic, which are by far the highest quality lead (way higher quality than cold calling, mass email, paper mail, any other marketing venue).

If you are searching for "online universities" and arrive at this onlineuniversity.net site via organic search.....you are much more likely to find a school and enroll.


You're right, this industry won't be around forever...at least in its current form..which is why I said in 2006 it was much easier to sell a site for 1M than today. But it is STILL possible. The buyers are harder to find, but they are there.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:24 pm  
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So, in essence, your view boils down to, "there's way more than one born every minute."


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
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To be fair, very few people who employ that old chestnut end up doing badly. It's hard to fail betting on the stupidity of your fellows.

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:21 am  
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I'm so fucking tired of meeting women at a community college. I'm starting to think twice about dating sites. The only problem is that I have no idea where to start and which site is free bla bla bla

And then when I'm done thinking about it I get depressed because I considered myself an easy to converse with/handsome dude


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Sites vs Online Gaming
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Xeoni wrote:
And then when I'm done thinking about it I get depressed because I considered myself an easy to converse with/handsome dude

It would help a lot if you weren't such a massive faggot.

Then again, I wouldn't have accepted your D3 friend request if you weren't. Its either playing Diablo 3 with me or picking up quality women, its your call.


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