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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:09 am  
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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:41 am  
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a little bit of piracy wont hurt anybody...unless you get caught! I also believe you should've bought a flashcard instead of any game but i'm just tired of saying that over


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:18 am  
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It hurts the producers of the game, who created a perfectly good product with the expectation of earning an honest profit.

And it hurts everyone who has to put up with this DRM crap built into everything because of a few childish asshats who think they're entitled to get everything for free.

Closely linked is the reason these same people always seem to despise those who have the skill to do more with less, rather than just shoplifting to make up the difference. Or people who think in broader terms than "What I Want Right Now".


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:46 am  
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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:04 pm  
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It hurts the producers of the game, who created a perfectly good product with the expectation of earning an honest profit.


So now companies trying to make a profit is okay?


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:03 pm  
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He said honest, and I also don't think he's ever said it wasn't "okay" for companies to make a profit.


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
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Azelma wrote:
Aestu wrote:
It hurts the producers of the game, who created a perfectly good product with the expectation of earning an honest profit.


So now companies trying to make a profit is okay?


When they produce luxury items in a highly competitive market full of alternatives, why wouldn't it be okay?

It only stops being okay when things like phone companies (totally uncompetitive, life-and-business necessity with maximum of two alternatives) do it.


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:59 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
So now companies trying to make a profit is okay?


If we are to entertain your presumption that I had ever changed my mind, when and why do you believe it changed?

Or do you think that I have believed the same thing all along; if so, why do I react differently here?


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:23 pm  
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I'm looking for you to explain when it is, and is not okay for a company to make a profit. I feel like in the past from reading what you've written you've been very against some companies/people making profits on their investments. Your criticism of the free market, and insistence on intense regulation left me thinking you were anti-profit/anti-investor/anti-entrepreneurship (since all of these things are driven by profit motives). I guess this is not the case and I misunderstood. In that case, please clarify:

What exactly needs to happen for a company to make a profit "honestly"? Tuhl gave an example, do you have more to clarify the distinction?

What industries is it okay to be profitable in, and what industries is it not okay to be profitable in?

Do you have a specific % of profit that is acceptable for a company to make? For example, if a company has a 50% profit margin, is that okay? Is 20% better? What if it were 70%


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:38 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
I'm looking for you to explain when it is, and is not okay for a company to make a profit.


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Fantastique wrote:
He said honest


Yuratuhl wrote:
When they produce luxury items in a highly competitive market full of alternatives

It only stops being okay when things like phone companies (totally uncompetitive, life-and-business necessity with maximum of two alternatives) do it.


Azelma wrote:
I feel like in the past from reading what you've written you've been very against some companies/people making profits on their investments.


Most so-called "profit" does not involve investment. Corporate raiding, exploitation of people, natural resources, existing infrastructure and public programs is not "investment" whether or not money changes hands.

"Investment" means growing capital. Capital means tangible assets, not the cash that represents assets. Buying a company for $1B just to run it into the ground and cash out for twice the cost of acquisition is not "investment". Earning a billion bucks exploiting Chinese peasants, fouling up Nigeria, or screwing with the American economy is not "investment".

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What exactly needs to happen for a company to make a profit "honestly"?


Create safe and reliable products that people want and need, and market them in good faith.

Azelma wrote:
Tuhl gave an example, do you have more to clarify the distinction?

What industries is it okay to be profitable in, and what industries is it not okay to be profitable in?


1. Does it provide a service people want and/or need?
2. Is it safe and reliable?
3. Is the product offered in good faith?
4. Is it economically and environmentally sustainable?
5. Is it without social, moral, environmental or other externalities?
6. Does it not result in a dangerous accumulation of non-accountable power by private interests?
7. Is the product reasonably available to everyone who needs it to be a participant in mainstream society?
8. Is the wealth derived from the product the result of the energy and creativity of the founders, and not natural or public resources?
9. Is the world better off with it on the market?

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Do you have a specific % of profit that is acceptable for a company to make? For example, if a company has a 50% profit margin, is that okay? Is 20% better? What if it were 70%


No. I don't buy the Quaker notion of "fair value".

Are my answers satisfactory? If not, why?
If so, what flaw do you see in my overall philosophy?
If none, then what is your reason for disagreeing?


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:17 pm  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
I'm very curious as to how one plays Age of Empires on a handheld.

The same way you play TF2 on an Xbox.

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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:35 pm  
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Is it a DS/DSlite or is it a DSi? If the former, pokemon is really awesome because you can still play gen 3 games (ruby, sapphire, emerald, fire red, leaf green) and directly transfer pokemon to a gen 4 game :)


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
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It's a DS. That's a cool function, but unfortunately I can't benefit from that feature, as the last Pokemon game I played was pokemon Red for the gameboy ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:55 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
It's a DS. That's a cool function, but unfortunately I can't benefit from that feature, as the last Pokemon game I played was pokemon Red for the gameboy ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo DS?
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:06 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
Azelma wrote:
It's a DS. That's a cool function, but unfortunately I can't benefit from that feature, as the last Pokemon game I played was pokemon Red for the gameboy ;)


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