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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:22 pm  
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Moving a topic and leaving a shadow is probably one of the most asinine things you can do.

Wholly unprofessional, whoever moved it.


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:35 pm  
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Because most of LBJ's "War on Poverty" policies are/were the type of out-of-control social spending that's helped contribute to our current socio-economic mess


This is an ignorant viewpoint. America has the least social spending relative to our economic capacity of any first-world country and atm we are in the most tenuous position financially of any.

Before the Vietnam War, social spending was much higher. Public education was cheaper and less influenced by the private sector. The government spent a great deal on civil RnD and healthcare. Then again I bet you think that polio and smallpox were wiped out by HMOs. Amirite?

France and Germany are taking over Europe in large part due to their aggressive social programs. And I and everyone else who reads this knows that you will respond with a "NO U" response consisting of vague generalizations/fallacious cliches about European laziness/dependency and Googled statistics sans understanding of factual reality.

The mess we're in began during LBJ's time due to:
1) diminished social investment (privatization of health, R&D and education)
2) military bloat (devouring capital, talent and resources)
3) the Vietnam War (which monopolized the nation's attention to the exclusion of social problems and destroyed hundreds of thousands of young American lives)
4) the waning of unsustainable American economic dominance as the EU and Japan finished recovering from WWII
5) exporting of jobs to former EU colonies that had built enough primary infrastructure to support factories
6) excessive capitalization resulting in stagflation
7) fundamental changes in the economy due to automation, factory farming and diminished natural resources (why "40 acres and a mule" or "get a job at the widget factory" don't work anymore)

The "social spending" bullshit is propaganda blared from the TV sets at useful idiots whom the fat cats want to continue to press more concessions from. Useful idiots like simple answers to complex problems because it lets them be lazy and ignorant rather than read a book and educate themselves, and are willing to vote against their interests if doing so allows them to be lazy.

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and because that was the most blatant smear-by-loosely-associating ad I've ever seen. They must not have invented subtlety until the 70s.


Half right. Voters actually tried to think about things back then.

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Not to mention that judging a political platform from...what, 50-60 years ago...by today's moral/ethical standards is silly.

What you really don't get is that the ad wasn't aimed at white audiences, it was aimed at blacks, and its only purpose was to scare people into voting for a given candidate


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I have a bunch of posters and other materials like this, propaganda aimed at Northerners or even (as in this case) Europeans who hated the KKK not because they're bigots but because they represent an entire way of life that is offensive to civilized people (of which bigotry is a part).

So what's your basis for saying that? You're provably wrong.

Is there something you saw or read that gave you the idea that's true, or did you just begin with your ideological ideas from television and then reconstruct the history etc of which you're 100% ignorant (and by 100%, I mean "you have never touched a book written by or about that period that isn't purely political, so you have absolutely no facts at all on which to base anything you might believe") assuming that it would JUST HAVE TO BE what would corroborate the beliefs you get from TV and the army?

And I'm going to make you look REALLY stupid here. Get ready. Southern blacks couldn't vote in elections at the time, and Northern blacks wouldn't ever vote for Goldwater. Not to mention that black voter turnout, then as now, was so low as to be utterly insignificant. Losing a fraction of white voters was (and is) infinitely worse than swinging any plausible number of black voters.

You focus on the "BLACK PPL" part of the advert but you ignore that the speaker (who is not the individual quoted) disdains "Catholicism" and "Judaism". In fact if you listen to the video again you'll notice his intonation suppresses his mention of blacks while calling out the latter two groups more loudly. What HAS changed since the 60s is that the discrimination between WASPs and Catholics/Jews is no longer a social force.

So yes, the target of the advert (were it shown) would have been white Jews and Catholics.

We're digressing from the point I made by linking the video. You can't detach a movement from the policies it advocates.


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:45 pm  
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Also, I just noticed that the "Liberator America" figure in that German propaganda poster is carrying a potato masher in its lower left hand. lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
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i don't think i can be a "real" feminist because i like to ask guys to lift heavy shit for me and kill bugs.


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
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Kayllaira wrote:
i don't think i can be a "real" feminist because i like to ask guys to lift heavy shit for me and kill bugs.


You can, you just have to insist that you're entitled to have anything you can't or won't do done for you, and if you can't or won't do it, it must not be important. Especially if you couldn't get by any other way.

Which is why it's unimportant, and you're entitled to have it done for you.

EDIT: I think Jubber was actually on the other day while I was arguing with the two feminists in trade chat insisting that arithmetic and STEM don't matter because they're "artistic" and their Fine Arts major is "just as valid a contribution".

EDIT2: To be precise, the matter of contention was why fractions (yes, fractions) shouldn't be taught in school and don't matter, because "everything is digital now".

I once tried teaching a women's studies major in her junior year the times tables and long division. Completely not kidding. I don't think I ever so wasted two hours of my life. She went on to graduate.


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:18 pm  
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EDIT2: To be precise, the matter of contention was why fractions (yes, fractions) shouldn't be taught in school and don't matter, because "everything is digital now".




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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:50 am  
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Aestu wrote:
No. What are you referring to?


Leave it to you to read wayyyyyyyy too much into an innocuously written comment in a thread that's supposed to be humorous. If you want to continue, let's use the old thread, and not shit up a new one.

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And why do you end a statement with a question mark?


It wasn't a statement, the fact that I prefixed the sentence with 'See, Aestu' implies I am asking a question. 'See' is a shortened form of 'You see', which is a shortened form of 'Do you see', which is a question. The use of a question mark is appropriate.

Why do you begin a sentence with 'and'?


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:09 am  
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Battletard wrote:
I don't think associating this with Zaryi is necessary, however.


Zryi being the target of the @ is done in jest - with a grain of truth. I know how she feels about feminism in general, and know she reads Jezebel...so when I saw this I thought..."oh maybe Zaryi would find this to be amusing"

If we can't laugh at ourselves first, we shouldn't be able to laugh at anything else.


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:25 am  
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Battletard wrote:
Leave it to you to read wayyyyyyyy too much into an innocuously written comment in a thread that's supposed to be humorous.


Sorry - were you being facetious? Or what was the pun?

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It wasn't a statement, the fact that I prefixed the sentence with 'See, Aestu' implies I am asking a question. 'See' is a shortened form of 'You see', which is a shortened form of 'Do you see', which is a question. The use of a question mark is appropriate.


"See, / You see," = indicative = statement
"Do you see," = interrogative = question

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do - verb \ˈdü - verbal auxiliary
1a —used with the infinitive without to to form present and past tenses in legal and parliamentary language <do hereby bequeath> and in poetry <give what she did crave — Shakespeare>

1b —used with the infinitive without to to form present and past tenses in declarative sentences with inverted word order <fervently do we pray — Abraham Lincoln>, in interrogative sentences <did you hear that?>, and in negative sentences <we don't know> <don't go>


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see - verb \ˈsē - intransitive verb
1a : to give or pay attention b : to look about
2a : to have the power of sight b : to apprehend objects by sight c : to perceive objects as if by sight
3a : to grasp something mentally b : to acknowledge or consider something being pointed out <see, I told you it would rain>


I am sure Azelma will agree, this is the sort of thing that Latin teaches very effectively.

Battletard wrote:
Why do you begin a sentence with 'and'?


To highlight the association between the question asked in that sentence with that asked in the previous in that they are both directed at the same topic (your question/statement).

It is technically incorrect to begin a sentence with a conjunction, but this is not formal writing and using a conjunction as an emphatic is more readable than most of the other ways to accomplish the same goal (such as using a semicolon).

Is my response satisfactory?


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
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well this thread went from enjoyable and interesting to pedantic and sandpaper cocks in ass very quickly.


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Usdk wrote:
well this thread went from enjoyable and interesting to pedantic and sandpaper cocks in ass very quickly.




But yes I agree


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Usdk wrote:
well this thread went from enjoyable and interesting to pedantic and sandpaper cocks in ass very quickly.


Only if you choose to see it that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Jezebel: If Web Sites Were People... (@Zaryi)
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I'm moving this back so I can lock it. If we're gonna start Aestu'ing threads again just lemme know so I can ban you now and save us a couple threads.


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