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 Post subject: Re: Azelma-Aestu Compromise on Fiat Money
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:39 am  
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maybe i'm continuing to miss your point, but i don't understand how paper money can be a representative of an economy backed by trees. you need to harvest the trees for the paper. paper money can't be a representative, right? it IS the money. also, i really don't know anything about economy but the ability to just grow more money sounds like it would inflate things. you want to buy 1 tomato, which costs 2 trees. you only have 1 tree. you grow another tree. now you have 2 trees, but you didn't contribute to the economy to gain that second tree. you didn't "work" for it, in the market sense.

like i said, i don't know much (or anything, really) about economics, but it seems like if we had the ability to just make gold it's value would fall considerably. the value of a precious metal is determined by it's rarity. which is why warren buffet has a 350 million dollar iridium wedding ring. lolz


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 Post subject: Re: Azelma-Aestu Compromise on Fiat Money
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:04 pm  
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our bills are made out of more cloth than paper.


just sayin


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 Post subject: Re: Azelma-Aestu Compromise on Fiat Money
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:50 pm  
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Dotzilla wrote:
maybe i'm continuing to miss your point, but i don't understand how paper money can be a representative of an economy backed by trees. you need to harvest the trees for the paper. paper money can't be a representative, right? it IS the money.


What Usd said. Even assuming it actually took trees to make bills, you seem to be presuming that we must necessarily cut down all trees to make sufficient paper to represent them.

Dotzilla wrote:
also, i really don't know anything about economy but the ability to just grow more money sounds like it would inflate things. you want to buy 1 tomato, which costs 2 trees. you only have 1 tree. you grow another tree. now you have 2 trees, but you didn't contribute to the economy to gain that second tree. you didn't "work" for it, in the market sense.


The tree has, and represents, value. Economy is exchange of value.

This basic principle holds true whether the currency is backed by gold, trees, or faith in the government.

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like i said, i don't know much (or anything, really) about economics, but it seems like if we had the ability to just make gold it's value would fall considerably. the value of a precious metal is determined by it's rarity. which is why warren buffet has a 350 million dollar iridium wedding ring. lolz


We do have the capacity to make gold, by means of a process called mining.

Gold, like any other naturally occurring resource, isn't "made" until it's processed into a form that can be packaged, used and/or sold.

This is one of my criticisms of the gold-based currency: it would lead to over-investment in exploration and make countries like Burma or South Africa richer than the US/EU/PRC overnight for absolutely no good reason. Not to mention that with today's advanced technology, gold-backed currency would lead to investment in pointlessly creative new ways to make gold (such as refining sand and seawater) that would serve no productive purpose.

In the case of trees, though, we do have an interest in finding a way to ensure that more are produced. And as almost all economic activity today comes with a direct environmental tradeoff, usually via deforestation or CO2 emissions, using trees as currency would create an economic vehicle that could not only compensate for the damage, but perhaps, over time, even reverse it to a considerable extent, reforesting large areas and restoring groundwater, while ensuring an even higher standard of living than we have today.


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 Post subject: Re: Azelma-Aestu Compromise on Fiat Money
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:26 am  
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Boredalt wrote:
Not to derail, but Ethan, you write so well. You can create an interesting story from ordinary situations where there doesn't appear to be one. I'm sure I'm not the first to point this out nor is it news to you. However, with your keen eye for detail, and ability to build to a point, you should be writing short-stories and essays, at least, or books. Maybe you already are. I'll wager you could create a semi-biographical character that would make Holden Caulfield look like shit.



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People don't read books anymore. And with the power of the Internet and feminism it is almost impossible to make money as an author.


Oh people certainly still read...they just read absolute shit. You can make money as an author if you write like dogshit and make sure you produce a book that can be finished in less than a day. Case and point:

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Aestu, I worry that you wouldn't be successful because the average mouthbreather wouldn't be able to comprehend or stay focused on your writing. Also, most of the crazy successful books now are crap written for stupid women (note I qualified it with "stupid").

That said, I have an alternative theory...if crap like the books above can sell thousands upon thousands of copies and make their terrible authors wealthy.....shouldn't better writing be more successful? The difference comes with the story and execution. Can you pull people in quickly and keep them invested / wanting more? That's how our consumption society has become. They can't plod through prose anymore to get to a nice big payoff. They need to get little orgasms after every relatively short chapter.


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 Post subject: Re: Azelma-Aestu Compromise on Fiat Money
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:43 am  
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The problem is promotion and distribution.

This is why our economy and political system are doomed. The systems of promotion and distribution - The Media - have become totally disassociated from what anyone actually wants.

Which is why you see total crap that no one buys on the shelves of Target, IGN gives 10.0 scores to games that are shit, universities print degrees no one will employ, and many young people with the most potential "step away from the centrifuge".

Divorced from the means to connect (meritocracy and mass organization), they wander about in a dark, crowded room.


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 Post subject: Re: Azelma-Aestu Compromise on Fiat Money
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:17 am  
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quit sucking his dick. that makes good writers bad. his fiction writing is good. his non-fiction posts are like mc escher paintings.


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 Post subject: Re: Azelma-Aestu Compromise on Fiat Money
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:33 am  
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Dotzilla wrote:
quit sucking his dick. that makes good writers bad. his fiction writing is good. his non-fiction posts are like mc escher paintings.


Eh I think Boredalt was far more complimentary than I. I just said the fact that...Aestu has a pulse and has actually read a book before...therefore he is better than all current popular authors.

I actually enjoy some of his non-fiction posts. My personal favorite was the lemonade stand story.

Then again, I like MC Escher paintings too.


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