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O RLY?

I see what you're trying to say...and you raise some good points. I would say though that the "Food Deserts" do exist in poorer neighborhoods. They don't have the kind of easy access to produce/healthy options that others in richer neighborhoods do. I think that also contributes.



This makes sense.

Buying food in bulk is also cheaper, yet more expensive at the same time. People living paycheck to paycheck get to choose between buying:







This doesn't even factor in the time required to cook the stuff. This is a relatively nutritious meal that would cost hardly anything and take less than 45 minutes to prepare and eat. The fact remains it will still cost more initially than buying 2-3 items off the dollar menu. It's also much better for you than fast food.


The issue is education as well. People aren't educated about how easy it is to save money on food, about how going out to eat actually is more expensive for you in the long run, especially when you factor in the healthcare costs associated.

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you can spend ~50 bucks over a week on the dollar menu for shit food, or ~50 bucks at one time and buy enough food to eat over the following week, and it doesn't necessarily have to be shit food.


IF you have access to a supermarket, but i have to take people's words for that because we have supermarkets everywhere here.

I don't have specific data, and like so many things there's a lot of disagreement/debate on the subject.

I just know that when I've been on the Southside of Chicago, or passing through it...it just seems like there are fewer supermarkets...where as on the North Side, I can't walk 4 blocks without seeing some sort of super market (whole foods, trader joes, Jewel, mom and pop grocery stores, etc.)


Battletard makes a good point - it also comes down to education. If you're never taught how to prepare a truly healthy meal for cheap, how are you going to know how to do it? If all you see are frozen TV dinners and McDonalds as options...that's what you'll have.

I feel like fat people tend to come from fatter families on average. Sure it's genetic, but it's also learned behavior.

Look at the street vendors of any other nation (Asian countries especially) and you'll see what a crock this is. Food Trucks are making steps to making quality food accessible to people for cheap, but there's still a long way to go. You can have good for you, cheap, and fast, just not in the states.

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React pretty effectively debunked that argument in HH's favor. The catch of those freezer veggies, which I personally eat a lot of (I put spinach and peas in everything) is that they do take some time and effort to prepare.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/opinion/g ... index.html

Boom.

No mention of availability of supermarkets, which people mention here as being an issue.


Also, no mention of the laziness of its people. Energetic people usually don't get fat.

Or poor.

Energy tends to turn into motivation and ambition.

Maybe people aren't fat because their poor, but poor and fat because they lack the drive needed for success and fitness?

True...doesn't mean that it provides any less of an argument that

Poorer = Fatter on average. It also goes a long way to say that cheap food is generally less healthy, which is the point I was making. It's more expensive to buy vegetables and fruits and other healthy things.

I don't get Azelma's quote. All it proves is that, for a dollar, you could buy an unhealthy serving of potato chips but for that same dollar you could buy fruit and vegetables. The reason the caloric count between the chips and fruit vary so much is because the chips aren't healthy. I almost feel like the point was trying to be made as "MOAR CALORIES ARE A BETTER DEAL!"

Damn this thread. Now I'm hungry.

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You're assuming the world is fair or full of opportunities. The world is sufficiently diverse that only a narrow-minded and ignorant person would believe this - that everywhere, there are opportunities waiting for people.

The truth is, a lot of people "don't got nothing". No one to listen and no one to turn to. No money waiting to be made, because no one and nothing they have access to has any either. Such is the nature of inner-city ghettos. Where's the money going to come from? Pray tell - honest question here.

Do you really that that all the people born on the wrong side of the train tracks in any given city all came out of the womb unmotivated sods?
Or do you think the world's problems made them that way?

Are all reasonably successful people trim and fit? Or are a good many soggy around the belly?
Are all losers fatsos? Or is NJ filled with fitness-obsessed guidos on welfare?

You personally are not smart or motivated enough to argue that you could owe your reasonable comfort to success and meritocracy. By the same token, I myself am fortunate enough to have parents that support me financially, while denying me other forms of support. Both of us have met people in our lives who work far harder and do not - and never will - come up as good as we do or are likely to as we go through life.

Here is a question, though: Why don't you educate yourself, about things in general, or about topics you are interested in but provably don't understand or really know about?

You believe "motivation" is key to success, no? Then why aren't you "motivated" to understand the world better so you can make informed, constructive decisions in it?

It's an honest question. Doesn't that fact contradict your contention?

I mean, don't get me wrong. I do agree that being grossly overweight correlates with a particular mentality of laziness and squalor - poor trash are often that way. But you're grossly oversimplifying it arguing that both are directly attributable to being unmotivated and saying that nothing can be done, rather than looking at the problem as something that can be solved through constructive behavior.

The very reason that welfare exists is that ignorant Americans refuse to examine these issues in terms of problems that can be constructively solved, preferring to believe that life is perfectly fair and everyone winds up where they ought to.

In reality, the reason that Weena isn't motivated to educate himself, and that poor people are fat, and that many better-off people are fat and tasteless, are all attributable to the lack of social identity in America today. Social identity makes people strive for self-actualization, of which both being educated and keeping fit are a part.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You don't understand the definition of "healthy". Calories are not unhealthy.

The calorie, or kilocalorie, is a measure of energy. A certain number of calories are needed for life. People, except preggos, eat for calories, not because they need other nutrients in food.

What makes unhealthy food unhealthy is that it contains high calories, but lacks nutrients, satiety, and proper caloric balance.

A well-balanced diet for an adult includes about 2500-3500 calories.
Persons can reach satiety (feeling full) from cheap empty calories, or from more expensive high-nutrition calories.

Reaching that balance via healthy foods such as fresh veggies is much more expensive than reaching it with a Big Mac or a bag of potato chips (about 1200 calories each). But those foods are high in fats and starches, so they go right to the belly without providing proper nutritional balance or being easily available for metabolism as veggies are, and they provide a lot less satiety per calorie (partly due to corporate design, as Mayo alluded).

That said, I think the financial aspect is overstated. I don't have enough experience to gauge the accuracy of Tuhl's comments about "food wastelands". My experience leads me to believe it's a social identity issue.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Between the two (vegetables and chips), I think it's pretty easily to state (and understand) that the chips aren't the healthy alternative, if healthy at all. We're not comparing eggs and celery, or milk and apples... it's fresh vegetables and fried and processed food. Don't try to make this any more than what it is.