Yuratuhl wrote:
Xeoni wrote:
Azelma wrote:
They have really fat paychecks. They have fat pensions, and they have zero accountability
lolwat
People don't understand how teachers work, don't worry about it.
Starting salary for a teacher in the nice suburban part of NJ I'm from is 40k. It takes them 40 years to get "fat" pensions. The nice thing about being a teacher is job security and a guaranteed yearly raise, not the fat paycheck.
My sister is a teacher, my step-mother was a teacher, my sister in law is a teacher, literally 80% of my girlfriends' friends are teachers, I've hired former teachers at my company....I understand how teachers work.
The quote from me is misleading...let me give you context:
Azelma wrote:
Some of her fellow teachers are simply terrible at their jobs, don't care to improve, and have no incentive to. They have tenure. They cannot be fired unless they do something absurd like abuse a kid or something. They have really fat paychecks. They have fat pensions, and they have zero accountability.
In Pennsylvania, where my sister teaches, it's routine to get guaranteed yearly raises. Additionally, if you obtain a masters and get certain certifications you see your pay jump. I'm not talking about new teachers making 40k, I'm talking about teachers approaching 100k.
And really, I know that's not that much in the grand scheme of things. It's not about the numbers. It's about
who's being compensated. I'd much rather us spend 60-80k on a great teacher who is motivated then some tenured asshat who simply cannot be fired, and has earned their salary by simply getting degrees. I consider even making 60k a year being a complete shit stain of a teacher to be a fat paycheck. They aren't being paid what they are worth. The paycheck is fat.
Yuratuhl wrote:
It sucks that young teachers get fired first during budget cuts, but think about it this way: teachers have one skills. They can teach. If you let the career become competitive, no teacher will stay employed past 50. It might be more efficient, at least for a few years/decades, but once the last batch of new recruits realize just what they got into, no one will ever become a teacher ever again.
So you're saying that if we make teachers accountable, remove their tenure, then no one will stay employed past 50?
That makes zero sense to me. If a teacher is good, helps the school, is able to motivate kids, raise test scores (IE: help the school keep more funding $$$ etc.) then districts would WANT to pay them to keep them.
You pointed out why the current system sucks. You can have an excellent new teacher who is highly motivated, great with kids, etc. get fired simply because the old lazy-ass teacher who doesn't do shit with her students simply CAN'T be fired. Considering one old lazy teacher making 80k a year is as much as two good motivated teachers making 40k a year....do you see how terrible that is?
How does that help education at all?
