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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:41 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:46 pm  
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Sounds like a lot of people should just chop their dicks off and become eunuchs. Pretty scary world out there. Probably should build a bomb shelter and live in that from now on. Because the way I am reading this, no matter what went down people who get married have just made a bad choice. 100% no doubts.


My analogy between unprotected sex and marriage stands. A man who values his dick is careful where he sticks it.


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:53 pm  
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An analogy you brought of no where for no good reason. BTW guys, to avoid getting hit by cars don't jump in front of them while they are moving! Seriously though. This thread has been very entertaining for me. I hope people keep posting in it.


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:06 pm  
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Krunkz wrote:
BTW guys, to avoid getting hit by cars don't jump in front of them while they are moving!


My mother told me to look both ways before crossing the street.
Can I borrow your crystal ball so I can see if a divorce is coming?


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:34 pm  
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That's not the point. The point is of this thread was to see what a person needed to know about a person to trust them with marriage. Can you honestly say you couldn't get to know someone well enough to be able to gauge whether they would just marry you for your obvious infinite wealth, instead of your charming personality? If not then that is sad. All the cases of divorce i have been witness to and knew one or both people involved showed signs from the get go. You make it sound like every women is instantly a professional con artist because of their vagina. You know what? That's the guys fault for not being able to think with anything but his dick. So now you have this 51% or what ever to sit their analyzing from your golden throne of wisdom. Flip the dam coin and see that for every women who apparently took that pour guy to the cleaners, was a douche bag who couldn't see further than the tip of his dick.

Answer me this. DO you have a list of criteria ( in your head or written down) that a woman must meet before you even socially interact with them? Before you would buy them dinner? Before you would sleep with them? Before you would live with them? If this list exists may i ask how long it is? And what types of criteria are on it?

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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:22 pm  
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People change. Life gets in the way. Act of X deity happens.

Sure I could meet someone that would be worthy of living the rest of my life with, but who's to say she will still be that person in a decade? A year? Tomorrow?


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:30 pm  
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Krunkz wrote:
That's not the point. The point is of this thread was to see what a person needed to know about a person to trust them with marriage. Can you honestly say you couldn't get to know someone well enough to be able to gauge whether they would just marry you for your obvious infinite wealth, instead of your charming personality? If not then that is sad. All the cases of divorce i have been witness to and knew one or both people involved showed signs from the get go. You make it sound like every women is instantly a professional con artist because of their vagina. You know what? That's the guys fault for not being able to think with anything but his dick. So now you have this 51% or what ever to sit their analyzing from your golden throne of wisdom.


The only person doing that here is you.

I am doing the opposite. I am NOT passing judgement on them as individuals, and instead simply observing that over half of all men didn't wind up where they thought they would.

It is you who is arrogantly insisting that you're leeter than 50% of the men who get married, which is a pretty damn questionable judgement given that a ton of guys go through divorce who are all around better/smarter/nicer/sexier/more amiable than both of us put together.

The divorce rate wasn't always 50% and it's pretty ridiculous to say that it's high because men have become bigger tools than women. Which would have to be your claim if you want to argue that toolishness is why marriages fail: almost all divorces are initiated by women. Obviously, the dynamic itself has changed such that lightning strikes male heads infinitely more often.


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 Post subject: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:58 pm  
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Its like the saying 'ex's are ex's for a reason.'

It's a cop out. It ignores your own flaws and focuses on what your ex did wrong. I think this attitude as a whole is a large contributor to the divorce rate. You think it's just a coincidence that some marriages last 25 years or more?

'people that have been married 25 years have been married 25 years for a reason' would be a much more appropriate saying.

People give up too quickly.


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:04 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
People change. Life gets in the way. Act of X deity happens.

Sure I could meet someone that would be worthy of living the rest of my life with, but who's to say she will still be that person in a decade? A year? Tomorrow?



Can you say that you will be the same person in a decade? a year? or tomorrow? People will change some what over the course of their life. To me someone who is the exact same person at 35 that they were at 20 seems boring. Don't get me wrong, if people don't want to get married for whatever personal reasons they have, that is fine. I am not gonna judge them and say they are stupid. But to read what i have in this thread is laughable. Straight up comparing marriage to gambling in Vegas is kind of silly.


Aestu. Men are bigger douche bags now days. Women are bigger bitches. Now there are more people in general. Admittedly my last statement sounded like i was laying all the blame on the men, which wasn't what I was going for. Laying all the blame on women is just as wrong. I like how you ignored all but one line from my last post. Makes flipping the ice skates way easier! CAR RAMROD!


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:06 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Its like the saying 'ex's are ex's for a reason.'

It's a cop out. It ignores your own flaws and focuses on what your ex did wrong. I think this attitude as a whole is a large contributor to the divorce rate. You think it's just a coincidence that some marriages last 25 years or more?

'people that have been married 25 years have been married 25 years for a reason' would be a much more appropriate saying.

People give up too quickly.


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TOTALLY WRONG!!! WOMEN ARE EVIL AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HELPLESS MEN!!!!! FORCING THEM INTO MARRIAGE FOR FINANCIAL GAIN AND SOCIAL STATUS!

/ end sarcasm


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 Post subject: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:13 pm  
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Hollywood pushes that shit too. Every romantic movie has the two people wildly in love, the guy does some major douche move, girl leaves, guy whines and whines and realizes his mistake, girl comes back, they live happily ever after.

It teaches the guy it's okay to be a douche because you'll get the girl in the end, and it teaches the girl to be a proud independent woman don't need no man and just give up as soon as shittiness happens.

They sell society the disease, and then sell them the cure.


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:28 pm  
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Krunkz wrote:
Aestu. Men are bigger douche bags now days. Women are bigger bitches. Now there are more people in general. Admittedly my last statement sounded like i was laying all the blame on the men, which wasn't what I was going for. Laying all the blame on women is just as wrong. I like how you ignored all but one line from my last post. Makes flipping the ice skates way easier! CAR RAMROD!


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TOTALLY WRONG!!! WOMEN ARE EVIL AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HELPLESS MEN!!!!! FORCING THEM INTO MARRIAGE FOR FINANCIAL GAIN AND SOCIAL STATUS! / end sarcasm


Ok.

Then why are almost all divorces initiated by women?

People have always been shitty. That's not to say people aren't shittier today (they certainly are) but dbags and bitches managed to somehow hold marriages together until social values changed. Being a dbag 50 years ago did not mean your wife would take the kids and leave.

Mass douchiness may be why divorce is now considered anything other than a disgrace, but it is not to blame in individual divorces.

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It's a cop out. It ignores your own flaws and focuses on what your ex did wrong. I think this attitude as a whole is a large contributor to the divorce rate. You think it's just a coincidence that some marriages last 25 years or more?

'people that have been married 25 years have been married 25 years for a reason' would be a much more appropriate saying.


There are sensible alternatives to being:
1. convinced that having your life turned upside down is justifiable because you're not perfect
2. convinced that you are more perfect than people who are demonstrably better than you or me

The "alternative" would be to coolly consider the risks/stakes and proceed sensibly. That does not mean that you need to get a vasectomy and live on the isle of Capri.

How much difference is there, really, between a formal marriage and just living together? On a day-to-day basis, not a hell of a lot, and your beer buddies etc aren't going to be checking your papers when you introduce she who is your wife.


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:53 pm  
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Maybe it's a combination of things? Out of that 70% how many were cases where the women was being abused? How many were because her husband cheated on her? How many were because the husband was a dead beat and she was tired of taking care of him? What percent of the divorces are because the man was abused? Because the wife cheated on the man? What % are misc reasons?

By the way. I read up on the 50% number and............................. it's horseshit. More than 70 percent of all first marriages succeed. Seventy percent of all people who have ever been married are still married to the same person. Interesting. Those who marry, divorce, re-marry, divorce, and re-marry and divorce are dragging the overall average down to 50 percent. Makes more sense now. Pretty sure the 50% is a nice number for lawyers to throw around to boost business.

One other thing before I go bid on this side job. Maybe social pressure held marriages together. Maybe people thought getting divorced was a sign of weakness back then. Women/men might have thought themselves failures, or thought their families would see it that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:09 pm  
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Just because most divorces are initiated by women, doesn't mean they're always the one in the wrong in the relationship. Could be a number of reasons they need out.


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 Post subject: Re: Divorce
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:14 pm  
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Krunkz wrote:
Maybe it's a combination of things? Out of that 70% how many were cases where the women was being abused? How many were because her husband cheated on her? How many were because the husband was a dead beat and she was tired of taking care of him? What percent of the divorces are because the man was abused? Because the wife cheated on the man? What % are misc reasons?


Very few. Almost all divorces are no-fault.

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By the way. I read up on the 50% number and............................. it's horseshit. More than 70 percent of all first marriages succeed. Seventy percent of all people who have ever been married are still married to the same person. Interesting. Those who marry, divorce, re-marry, divorce, and re-marry and divorce are dragging the overall average down to 50 percent.


By "read up" you mean you Googled "us divorce rate". Right?

I'm guessing you were reading this or something that uses it as its main source? Or did you just go with the first hit?

All three are written by feminists and are ridiculously biased. All are written in that bizarre, pedantic manner that feminists always write ("To be more precise, this is not true. Data reveal that the figure is very close to the actual one.") ("It is frequently reported that the divorce rate in America is 50%. This data is not accurately correct, however, it is reasonably close to actual.")

In fact this writing style is quirky and anomalous enough even by the standards of feminists that it's probable both were writen by the same person.

Both articles always say "women and men" and not the other way around (Orwellian element of all feminist writing).

Both documents default to a female perspective even when discussing issues that are inherently and exclusively applicable to both genders in unison:

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Among women, 68% of unions formed in 1997–2001 began as a cohabitation rather than as a marriage...


Oh? I wonder what the statistic is for men.

There are no citations on any of the pages, so there's no proof the writer didn't pull these numbers out of her ass. If you click on the "See Here" link on the first Google hit, the figures on the subsequent page has no citations either, but it's again written in that bizarre degenerate English style preferred by feminists (e.g., ending bullet points with periods).

If you look at the sidebars on either article, you'll see that each and every link is applicable only to women and presumes the husband is either 1) to blame or 2) there is a financial incentive to breakup. In fact the first reason for divorce given for visitors to click on is "No Fault", and shortly below is "Do It Yourself".

Now here's the meat and potatoes of it, Krunkz. If you were even half as shrewd/clever/"with it"/endowed with common sense as you like you think you are, you'd be able to figure all this shit out on your own.

Krunkz wrote:
Makes more sense now. Pretty sure the 50% is a nice number for lawyers to throw around to boost business.


Lawyers don't get business unless a divorce happens, smart guy. And they get paid by the court out of the husband's assets whether he approves or not.

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One other thing before I go bid on this side job. Maybe social pressure held marriages together. Maybe people thought getting divorced was a sign of weakness back then. Women/men might have thought themselves failures, or thought their families would see it that way.

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