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Only if you presume that men are 100x more likely to be tools than women. Abuse is very rare.

And yeah Krunkz, read the post at the bottom of last page, in case you missed it going to the end...but I am sure you are convinced you are so incredibly clever that no one could possibly manipulate you. Right? Inc sarcastic non-response. Or surprise me (unlikely).

Oh and something else. 70-80% rate is fiction. Read the details of how the information is computed. The study is based on a small sample (12k individuals or something) with a 75%ish response rate. And that's not to say they didn't simply do multiple surveys until they got a set of answers that they liked, or that they disqualified responses due to "error".

Put 100 people in a room. Give 50 a black chip and 50 a white chip. Say you need 10 people with chips, preferably a black chip, but white is okay too, to step forward. Then check what kind of chip they have. Do this until you get three black chips for every white chip.

Congratulations, you have just proven that you handed out 75 black chips. Now write a study some gullible person will eat right up. Collect profit!

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Abuse is very rare. Could you possibly be anymore hopelessly sheltered and disconnected from reality

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Of my friends that date, there's 2-5 couples.

Realistically I'd say 3 and of those three I am really close with 2 of them.

Both of them are abuse and/or have had their fair share of abuse.

Verdict
2:3 abuse rate isn't very rare.


Then again, that's just from the small pool I have to draw from.

Now older couples? Which I assume make up most of the statistics, probably a lot rarer.



Edit: To be fair, what people constitute as abuse is pretty ridic.

Based on what? What's your point of reference for "reality"?

My "point of reference" is that divorce used to be "very rare" and now it isn't. Most divorces (overwhelming majority) are no fault. And although most people are tools, the number of people capable of abuse is very small.

In the sense that domestic abuse is a crime that is "depraved by nature" in the sense that rape, murder, theft, and child abuse are - things that even people who are jerks refrain from doing even without fear of getting caught, because even jerks usually have some basic sense of decency - you'd have to give me a damn good reason to believe that it's substantially more common.

So go ahead. Enlighten me. What's your frame of reference? Will you defend your belief with facts/reasoning, or concede the point, or will you surprise me with another snarky, self-righteous little barb?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Me 1 - Aestu 0


Thanks for coming out folks!


P.S. of course I googled and EVEN COPIED AND PASTED IT. I honestly don't care about divorce rates or who initiated what divorces. The next bet I make should be on how many quotes i can get you to make in one post instead of how many posts I can string you along for.

[13:56:01] [W From] [Slimecrack]: I just wanted to tell your brown that when I look into its one brown eye, I see joy and love, thank god for your ass, PRAISE JESUS!

New post to apologize to Boredalt for derailing thread but this was too funny and easy to pass up.

[13:56:01] [W From] [Slimecrack]: I just wanted to tell your brown that when I look into its one brown eye, I see joy and love, thank god for your ass, PRAISE JESUS!

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I didn't really mean abuse necessarily, infidelity could be a large factor (either from the man or the woman's side), but it's not as rare as you seem to think. Having lived at a battered women's shelter, we saw 10-20 girls come in on any given day, and where i live isn't really very large at all.

s^ | Kay

Were they, for the most part, married? And how inclined were they to make a break with their men?

Ironically, those who have most justification to leave spouses are least inclined to do so. Women in abusive relationships are usually in them by choice. The easy availability of divorce does not change that.

And it is worth pointing out that as there are no men's shelters, homelessness is now a uniquely male problem - but no one sees that as a problem...

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Men who abuse women typically have control issues as it is. For the most part, the women are broke and unable to make a life for themselves elsewhere because their husband/boyfriend holds all the money. Generally if they were in the shelter, it was because they were choosing to leave. They had to come in voluntarily, and cops cannot make a woman leave the home on a domestic call.

s^ | Kay

Exactly. So doesn't that make divorce and domestic abuse a case of nail and screwdriver - and therefore completely irrelevant to the question of contemporary divorce?



So what you are saying, is so-called "victims" of domestic abuse are better off than all men.

Women now have the same earning power as men, and at least as much access to welfare etc, so women who have the choice to accept such a relationship rather than be homeless are better off than men who have no choice at all.

Why should we perceive battered women as victims when the life situation they have chosen is a more palatable alternative to that which would otherwise be forced on them as it is on all such men?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

That's really only making my point for me.



I'm not going to name call, but I'm going to name call.

If anything, you should recognize that I've looked into the stats and risks of marriage, realized through experience in dealing with the women I've dealt with and looking at myself in those situations, and I acknowledge that marriage is almost certainly a bad idea for me. That's more thought than plenty of people IN relationships give marriage before taking the plunge.



This simply isn't true. Most couples these days have both people working, and most of those couples have a joint account where both have access.



Yes they can. In a domestic violence call, say between a husband and wife, ONE of them has to leave for like 12 or 24 hours. Not sure about the time frame. There's just a 99% chance that it's the man getting hauled off to spend the night in jail, even if she's the one who started it. And domestic violence started by women is quickly reaching the majority of domestic violence cases.

Calling a comparison silly and calling someone dumb for a life choice isn't the same thing. And hey, as long as YOU admit that marriage is a bad idea for YOU, coolios. That doesn't make it a bad idea for everyone. To each their own.

[13:56:01] [W From] [Slimecrack]: I just wanted to tell your brown that when I look into its one brown eye, I see joy and love, thank god for your ass, PRAISE JESUS!

Oh, but it is. In both cases it's a tacit admission that one doesn't have a more reasoned response.

In the latter case, however, there was a bit more to the response than "ur dumb".



If anyone's a special snowflake, it's not Usd.

Anything that applies to him will probably apply to most men.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

No, we were finished. I am talking to USD now.

[13:56:01] [W From] [Slimecrack]: I just wanted to tell your brown that when I look into its one brown eye, I see joy and love, thank god for your ass, PRAISE JESUS!