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 Post subject: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:03 am  
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http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo ... 44420.html

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Simply put, both Gametrics and Xfire are both reporting close to a 65% drop-off rate of the player base from Diablo III. The exodus is apparently tangible enough that Blizzard made a statement about players' frustrations with replayability and end-game content, derailing the media buzz over allegedly wrongly banned Linux users who have neither received a detailed response regarding their bans nor a refund. Anyone who caught wind of that fiasco would probably want to steer clear of a game with such poor customer support, that's not including gamers who have and are losing money to the grey areas of the Real-Money Auction House.

Blizzard plans to remedy the rapidly declining user base with PvP and additional content planned to release in upcoming patches for the game.

These declining player numbers can't look good for the shareholders, especially with Korea's FTC still investigating Blizzard and internet cafe owners mounting a very real class-action lawsuit against the software giant.

I don't even know if an offline mode will save the game at this point. But hopefully this is a wakeup call for Blizzard to just focus on making a good game and leave all the anti-consumerist, pro-corporate bullcrap on the cutting room floor.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:17 am  
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What this really proves is, Blizzard's current efforts in MMOing are at least as bad as their competitors who can't make a MMO with a lifespan of more than six months. In fact, Blizzard's efforts are provably worse because they have vast sums of money, excellent developers, the strength of their name and good IPs on their side, and they STILL can't be carried to success. If Blizzard created WoW from scratch today, it would crash and burn as badly as SWTOR.

I wonder if Titan will ever see the light of day? Or will it turn into vaporware?

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not including gamers who have and are losing money to the grey areas of the Real-Money Auction House


What is this about? Tell me more.

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I don't even know if an offline mode will save the game at this point.


Sure, if they want to market the game exclusively to hackers and chinas.

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But hopefully this is a wakeup call for Blizzard to just focus on making a good game and leave all the anti-consumerist, pro-corporate bullcrap on the cutting room floor.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:26 pm  
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I think the fundamental issue is the realization of everything we were afraid of when Activision-Blizzard first happened.

We were afraid that being acquired by a profit-focused company would damage Blizzard's core ("we make great video games, focus on the user, and happen to make money doing it"). The wrong people became the decision makers. The wrong people controlled the direction of the company.



Our fears have been realized. Look at everything they've done since then. They make decisions based solely on $$$. They don't focus on making a fantastic game...they want to make a game that's "good enough" to get a bunch of suckers to buy it...and "not bad enough" for a majority of people to quit after milking them for some $$$

It's a damn shame. One of the greatest gaming companies ever has fallen so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:27 pm  
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I lol'd... Well, I'm pretty sure I lol'd... I mean, I did type that I did.

Edit: Aren't video game companies, or any company for that matter, meant to make money? I don't see why people piss and moan about it when they try to maximize their profit. Don't like it? Don't buy the product. Not hard, guys.

Edit 2: I think D3 is a pretty good game. I'm sure it'll get even better with new content patches and whatever else those evil money-hungry assholes as Blizzard have in store for the players.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:28 pm  
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I made money on the ah. So I'm okay with this.

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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:52 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Aren't video game companies, or any company for that matter, meant to make money? I don't see why people piss and moan about it when they try to maximize their profit. Don't like it? Don't buy the product. Not hard, guys.


Bait-and-switch and other forms of deceptive marketing are contrary to the premise of the free market. They aren't "maximizing" their profit by killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Activision is microcosm of the American business scene in general. Churn-and-burn investment and emphasis on short-term profits kills off entire sectors of the economy, and most Americans are too stupid to realize the difference.

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Edit 2: I think D3 is a pretty good game. I'm sure it'll get even better with new content patches and whatever else those evil money-hungry assholes as Blizzard have in store for the players.


More content? Where's the profit in that?


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:00 pm  
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Activision isn't the only problem here.

Blizzard owners who sold to activision are just as bad. Hey I poured my blood sweat and tears into this company for years and I love what I do....oh how many millions? Have at it dude, ride this company like a whore the day the troops come home I'm outta this bitch forever!

This is probably why people don't name companies after themselves anymore. Easier to toss a company to the Activision wolves that way.


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After nearly a 65% drop-off rate of the player base from Diablo III, it's rank 5 and still bigger than Minecraft, Battlefield 3, Starcraft II, and even the fucking unstoppable Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
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Usdk wrote:
Activision isn't the only problem here. Blizzard owners who sold to activision are just as bad. Hey I poured my blood sweat and tears into this company for years and I love what I do....oh how many millions?


I think the truth is actually more sinister.

The story of how Kotick and Morhaime met is interesting:

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When Mike Morhaime first met Kotick, he was looking for a low-key setting to avoid sparking the sort of chatter that often emerges when high-profile business leaders meet in public.

Morhaime, then the chief executive of Blizzard, chose a steakhouse near his company's Irvine, Calif., headquarters. But he ended up booking a large banquet room by mistake, leaving the two alone and rather conspicuous for the nearly four hours during which they contemplated the potential of a merger creating a new leader in the video-game business -- a combination that would rival Electronic Arts in size and market position.

"We wanted to keep it low-key, which was pretty hard to do in this huge room with just the two of us there," Morhaime recalled with a laugh...

According to Morhaime, that first meeting sold him on the idea of the merger and on Kotick, who wound up running the combined company when the deal was consummated in July of this year.

"Bobby is a pretty unique guy when it comes to business strategy," Morhaime said. "He's exceptionally quick. Very smart. He's always open to listening and learning. And he asks a lot of really good questions."


That is a common technique used by marketing people and other con artists to influence people - quickly force them into a strange environment and work them over aggressively. It is, for example, why shopping malls and Wal-Marts are simultaneously agoraphobic and claustrophobic. The surreality of the setting helps overcome inhibition.

I think the truth is that Kotick changed the reservation for just this purpose, wanting to get Morhaime off guard then impress him by asking a lot of rapid-fire questions and telling him what he thought he wanted to hear.

The story goes on, though: After the merger, in which Kotick became head of the combined company, he created a level of management (COO Tom Tipple) between himself and Morhaime, so he doesn't have to deal with Morhaime directly and can pull his strings more easily. This is another common tactic used by executives: flatter someone to get them in the door, under the pretense they will be treated as an equal, then establish institutional barriers so that Kotick can call Morhaime whenever he wants, but not vice versa.

Recently, Morhaime delivered an apology for perceived insults at the 2011 Blizzcon. So what it seems is, he's been basically brought on board as the fall guy.

Morhaime thought he would be establishing an equal partnership with Kotick, but he was too much still the start-up business culture noob going up against a pro con artist. In reality, he should have known better. Not to be blamed though; most people fall for those kinds of tactics at least once. With experience, one can easily identify those patterns of pathological behavior that are common to businesspeople.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:48 pm  
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To be clear Eturnal, I don't have any problem with a video game company wanting to make a profit or people wanting to be rich.

However, motivations generate different outcomes.

If your primary motivation is profit, you will make decisions geared towards that.
If your primary motivation is making a great game/user experience (and you hope to turn a profit at it), you will make very different decisions.

If profit is the only end, the video game content suffers. Case and point: Activision-Blizzard


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:12 pm  
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I guess I don't see how Diablo 3's decisions are wholly based on profit. Blizzard managed to deliver a pretty decent game with Diablo 3. It looks and sounds nice, it plays smoothly (minus the infrequent network lag), and provides that dungeon-crawling experience that many of us enjoyed. They've given us a way to make money off our finds and they've implemented the game in such a way that makes duping and hacking much harder. Also, I kinda feel like Diablo3 has more replayability than most other $60 non-subscription based titles on the market, even if it's just a small number of people grinding the same content on a regular basis.

Personally, I'd think the decline in user base is because of these four points:
1) Inferno is too hard for most people.
2) Most people have a hard time motivating themselves to replaying the same game over and over.
3) The auction house makes the end-game gear grind a somewhat pointless task.
4) It's a Blizzard game, but it's not WoW.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
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Eturnalshift wrote:
1) Inferno is too hard for most people.

Oh, you're one of those people.


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What the fuck do you mean, "those people!?"
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Eturnalshift wrote:
What the fuck do you mean, "those people!?"

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Necrachilles wrote:
Eturnalshift wrote:
1) Inferno is too hard for most people.

Oh, you're one of those people.


RNG is a tough boss. in other news I'm on act 4 inferno #

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