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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:14 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:21 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:32 pm  
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A couple hundred people will carry this tragedy with them for the rest of their lives because one person is ill/crazy/stupid/mean whatever.

It's a pure numbers game. That guy might have had a shit life, or whatever his problems were, but now he's just spread misery around, added more to the world. Ruined or ended several lives and for what?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:40 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
A couple hundred people will carry this tragedy with them for the rest of their lives because one person is ill/crazy/stupid/mean whatever.


You are proving my point. In so easily dismissing his life, you justify his so easily dismissing yours.

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It's a pure numbers game. That guy might have had a shit life, or whatever his problems were, but now he's just spread misery around, added more to the world. Ruined or ended several lives and for what?


Are you a pacifist?
Do you think the many have a right to rob or ignore the few?

No? Then how can you justify your position?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:02 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
That's stupid.

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I freely admit that I have infinitely more sympathy for the killer than for his victims.


What the actual fuck.


High school emo kid logic


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:18 pm  
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I think that there is more than enough misery in this world without adding to it.

He added to it, they didn't. I hope he gets the chair.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:24 pm  
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How do you define "high school emo kid logic"?

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I think that there is more than enough misery in this world without adding to it.

He added to it, they didn't. I hope he gets the chair.

You didn't answer my questions, you just repeated your superficial remarks.
What makes you think that you are more fit to devalue him than he is to devalue you?
Do you think that violence is never the answer?

Why is there misery in this world?
Why was he miserable?
Do you think you'll never make anyone miserable as a cop?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:42 pm  
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Do you honestly think there's anything I can say that would have a misanthrope like yourself denounce a crazy person for shooting up a theater?

If anything, you seem jealous of him.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:46 pm  
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I freely admit that I have infinitely more sympathy for the killer than for his victims.


Respect -1000


Infinitely more sympathy for this sick fuck than the 6 year old little girl that he killed for absolutely no reason? What did she ever do to deserve to die? Now her family has lost a child, do they not deserve sympathy? No...you reserve it for the bastard who decided to pump round after round into people, killing at random...all people trying to watch a movie. Nothing more.



Seriously, what the fuck Aestu.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:54 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Aestu wrote:
I freely admit that I have infinitely more sympathy for the killer than for his victims.


Respect -1000


Infinitely more sympathy for this sick fuck than the 6 year old little girl that he killed for absolutely no reason? What did she ever do to deserve to die? Now her family has lost a child, do they not deserve sympathy? No...you reserve it for the bastard who decided to pump round after round into people, killing at random...all people trying to watch a movie. Nothing more.



Seriously, what the fuck Aestu.


But he's had such a hard life man. Can't you FEEL his pain through those deep actions he took? Planning it all to coordinate with the movie. That man has some deep understanding of life you couldn't even begin to understand. Men like this are what will save the world. Now if you'll excuse me I have to put a can of glue in my hair.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:41 pm  
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You can't condemn Aestu for his views.
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The sad truth is that in America today, if one sprays a crowd with an automatic weapon, most of those hit would be stupid, bad, compassionless and worthless people, people who disdain those better than them, who buy into every lame social platitude out of mental laziness and moral turpitude, and who simply don't have any motive beyond their personal hedonism.

I actually agree with this. 100%.

It's a shame that it happened and I feel more sympathy for the victims rather than the killer but I'm not fully commited to killing a man who did what I secretly wish to do.

Though I'd be far more selective in my targets.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:10 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
But he's had such a hard life man. Can't you FEEL his pain through those deep actions he took? Planning it all to coordinate with the movie. That man has some deep understanding of life you couldn't even begin to understand. Men like this are what will save the world. Now if you'll excuse me I have to put a can of glue in my hair.


Who will save the world? People like you, who are too lazy to think about anything but just resort to cool one-liners and media koolaid to explain life?

Usdk wrote:
Do you honestly think there's anything I can say that would have a misanthrope like yourself denounce a crazy person for shooting up a theater?


It'd have to be a lot more convincing than just saying the same thing over and over again without engaging the flaws in your views. If you cannot even do that then you are probably simply wrong.

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If anything, you seem jealous of him.


I won't lie, I definitely wish I was as smart as he was.
But jealous, you mean, of what he did - why do you believe that?

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Infinitely more sympathy for this sick fuck than the 6 year old little girl that he killed for absolutely no reason? What did she ever do to deserve to die? Now her family has lost a child, do they not deserve sympathy? No...you reserve it for the bastard who decided to pump round after round into people, killing at random...all people trying to watch a movie. Nothing more.


Yes, people trying to watch a movie, at that point in time. But how much sympathy does the average member of society have for the less fortunate?

My goal is not to justify - it is to explain and understand. How are we to prevent such tragedies in the future without making an effort to understand their causes?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:01 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Meowth wrote:
But he's had such a hard life man. Can't you FEEL his pain through those deep actions he took? Planning it all to coordinate with the movie. That man has some deep understanding of life you couldn't even begin to understand. Men like this are what will save the world. Now if you'll excuse me I have to put a can of glue in my hair.


Who will save the world? People like you, who are too lazy to think about anything but just resort to cool one-liners and media koolaid to explain life?

Certainly not those sharing multiple qualities with you I imagine.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:10 pm  
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i won't say i feel complete sympathy for the killer, but if people are honestly going to just denounce him and say something didn't push him there, something that probably fucked him up, then you're delusional as all shit.

yes, the guy was probably "psycho" and what he did was pretty sick and it's tragic as all hell, but you don't get to that point unless something has seriously pushed you to a point of absolutely no return, something that probably went on for a while. i don't know what it takes to drive you that far to shoot up a ton of random people, but to say there isn't a large list of people i would legitimately throw in front of a train without a second thought would be lying. if you haven't been down enough to actually want to kill someone, and no, not that I WAN KILL U IMA CRI IN ROOM ;____; shit, then you don't know what it means to be pushed.

highschool emo logic XD!
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:58 pm  
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I see what you're all saying, and you're right...something had to push him to that level. We should certainly pity him. He is truly a sick person.


That said, I take issue when someone says he deserves more sympathy than those he brutally murdered. I think the people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time deserve the most sympathy in all this.


And really, what can society do about this? How can we prevent such things from happening? How does knowing that this killer was disenfranchised by life help us? How many people have shitty situations, are depressed, screwed over by society, etc. and DON'T resort to acquiring weapons and shooting up a bunch of innocents?

We all agree it's not the video games, or the media, or anything so obvious as that. Aestu, I'm curious where you got the "he worked at McDonalds" info? From my understanding he was a neuroscience student, so still in school, though he was in the process of withdrawing for some unknown reason.


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