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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:10 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:42 pm  
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I wonder what would have happened if everyone else in that theater was armed and trained to use it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:03 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if everyone else in that theater was armed and trained to use it.




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 Post subject: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:33 pm  
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Aestu wrote:

My goal is not to justify - it is to explain and understand. How are we to prevent such tragedies in the future without making an effort to understand their causes?


I agree with certain points Aestu made. I don't think it's necessary to have "more sympathy" for the killer, nor is it necessary to have any sympathy.

I think we as a society call for bloodshed at every opportunity, and then we are supposedly shocked when blood is spilled.

It's not necessary to have sympathy for the killer. I think empathy would be warranted.

The point Aestu is making, as far as I can tell, is that we wait and wait for these events to occur, and only after they occur do we react.

Gun control / gun ownership is a distraction. The problems of society extend much farther than simply guns being readily available to criminals and would be criminals.

His thoughts, as I interpret them, coincide with my original response. We are a society of damage control, revenge and vindication. What would the world be like if we were a society of understanding, empathy and compassion?

I'm sure I'll be unfairly mocked for 'having compassion for killers' but the whole point is that you practice these values before the killing occurs.


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 Post subject: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:36 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if everyone else in that theater was armed and trained to use it.


Hmm, dark crowded theater, flash bang grenades, confusion and chaos? Seems legit.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:48 pm  
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I heard it was tear gas, not flash bangs. Tear gas you have a few seconds to act. Flashbangs you're just out of commission for a good while.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:23 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
I heard it was tear gas, not flash bangs. Tear gas you have a few seconds to act. Flashbangs you're just out of commission for a good while.


Distinction is silly and you know it. React's assessment is 100% right. More guns would have just meant more incidental deaths.

These people (including you) who actually think that whipping out your piece when someone else does is a solution likely to reduce the body count are examining reality with a unbalanced mentality. They are driven by fantasies of being a badass like something out of a Clint Eastwood film. This is a crazy attitude, and no one with such an attitude - and it is a common one in America - is going to make sane and responsible decisions with a gun.

Simply put, if you have a hammer, everything you see is a nail.

EDIT: Given a certain set of social conditions, crime is inevitable, gun violence is not. People who commit crimes are either desperate or insane. At this point in time, there is a strong disincentive for criminals to carry or use guns, because their victims are typically unarmed and carrying or using a gun in a crime is a strong aggravating offense and cops are trained to shoot to kill if a suspect is armed. Tuhl - it is so, is it not?

But if gun ownership were universal, as you suggest, then that would trigger an all-around escalation. Criminals, who are going to commit crimes no matter what, would feel compelled to carry - and use - weapons. And cops, who would be operating in a gun-rich environment (just like rural Afghanistan with the "Kalashnikov culture" - Google the term) would in turn feel compelled to ensure they have a dramatic superiority in firepower in any situation. So they wouldn't even bother with Berettas, they'd carry M16s everywhere they go.

The probable winner of any firefight is going to be the guy who shoots first. Criminals would not wait to see if their victims are armed, and cops wouldn't wait to get decent intel and sort a situation out before going in guns blazing. After all, everyone has guns and no one wants anyone else to get the drop on them.

Cops consider the brandishing of a weapon in public proof of hostile intent. This is a sane and rational policy. So when they come up to a theater at night and they see a bunch of people are waving semiautomatics around, do you really think they're going to put their lives at risk sorting out which guns are aimed at them and which aren't? And with a big crowd of ornery people, how long do you think it would take for someone to make a tragic and/or fking stupid mistake?

Does that sound safer to you?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:13 pm  
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Wanted to clear something up...people are talking about him like he just snapped and then decided to go on this rampage.


This was calculated. He planned this for months. He knew what he was doing.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:17 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Wanted to clear something up...people are talking about him like he just snapped and then decided to go on this rampage. This was calculated. He planned this for months. He knew what he was doing.


Madness can be methodical.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:51 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Does that sound safer to you?


Not at all. Tell him what he's won, Johnny.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:53 am  
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There's a reason that ALL of the mass murders in America have happened in "gun free" zones.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:00 am  
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Usdk wrote:
There's a reason that ALL of the mass murders in America have happened in "gun free" zones.


Except they haven't. Stop reading NRA propaganda.
(and this argument is particularly absurd because when they say "gun-free zone", what they are referring to are school campuses)

Countries that don't have mass gun ownership tend not to have massacres at all. If what you say is true then there would be daily massacres in every other Western country. Why isn't that so?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:06 am  
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columbine. VT. colorado theater.

ever seen a shootout at a gun show?


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Usdk wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if everyone else in that theater was armed and trained to use it.


Stray shots and dead people in the parking lot.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:13 am  
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Usdk wrote:
columbine. VT. colorado theater.
ever seen a shootout at a gun show?


Columbine and Virgina Tech were schools and all schools are gun-free zones for reasons that should be obvious. I guess you think the solution to school violence is to have all highschoolers pack heat?

Colorado Theater was not a gun-free zone - a quick Google shows that Colorado gun laws are permissive. Why do you say it was?

Saying you haven't seen a shootout at a gun show is like saying you haven't seen a rape at a slutwalk. The better question is, how many shootouts do you see in the EU or Japan? I'm guessing they're dropping like flies because they don't pack heat? If not, why not?


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