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Funny, I think I say something along those lines every time we have a conversation about universal healthcare, and it doesn't seem to matter.

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Government plot to push for gun control.

Won't work, activist judges.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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pretty sure fast and furious had a better shot at gun control than this madness.

Where did you read this? Link?

Everything I've read says he was a graduate student in neuroscience, finishing his first year, but decided to withdraw for some unknown reason (there's speculation that he may have not done well on this huge oral exam they have to take at the end of the first year).

He hadn't "finished his education".....



Again, where are you getting this?

Nevermind found it:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... mes/54844/




Seems pretty flimsy information at best. Still...he only worked part time, for about a year. He also only had an undergrad degree. Perhaps to work in Neuroscience, doing research etc., you need a graduate level degree...It's common in a lot of the advanced fields. Hence why he decided to enroll in a graduate program in the first place.

I see the point you're trying to make..."He had to work at McDonalds, how shitty, maybe it drove him crazy" or something to that effect. I just don't think it's really useful info. How hard did he look for jobs? What jobs did he apply for? Was he trying to get a job in business? Was he trying to get jobs working at research facilities? We don't really know any of that...kinda tough to make sweeping generalizations.

A lot of people work part time at shitty places after college. Especially if you got an undergrad degree in a field you really can't work in without a graduate degree.

i'm not gonna deny this, but if someone is trying to kill me and there is no other way about it, i'm going to shoot back. i own a gun because i'm not afraid to use it.

all the reasoning and "logic" in the world isn't going to change the instinct inside you to not be put in a casket.





not trying to start more arguments or anything, but most cops couldn't hit a parked car.

In an actual firefight, most people can't hit a parked car. Whenever there's gun battles or police shootouts in real life, the amount of ammunition expended is gargantuan. No one's a good shot when everyone is behind cover and has self-preservation instincts.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

that was my point actually, i was typing an edit as i refreshed and saw this. dunno why i didn't put it in in the first place.

Logically then, trained individuals would be much better shots when no one is shooting back, right?

My point was more about rules of engagement than accuracy. Tuhl/Grim are completely right on about accuracy.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

FWIW, it's pretty easy to find a job with an undergraduate degree in biology (which I am only assuming is what he had before going into neuroscience), especially in a population-dense area like San Diego. My best guess is he gave up on finding a job related to his education after dropping out of grad. school.

I'm just saying, guns won't protect you. Get a fucking alarm system if you're worried about someone breaking in. Lock your damn doors. And don't you have to keep a gun unloaded and disassembled in your house? You think you're going to be able to put that shit together and load it at 2:30am when a loud noise just woke you up? It's actually quite funny just thinking there's a possibility that some of you believe this.

I can only imagine what would have happened in that theater if everyone had a gun. It's a dark, gas-filled room bursting at the seams with confused people trying to enjoy a movie. One person starts shooting, then another. And then another from the back of the theater trying to play hero inadvertently hits a kid up front. And then someone thinks the guy in the back is part of it all, so he shoots him. Then some girl screams, startles the armed dude in front of her who pulls the trigger while turning around to investigate the scream, hitting another poor chap in the seat next to him. See where I'm going with this?

I don't give a shit about guns in the house, just like I don't care about anything else you buy. But don't give me some retarded reason of "protection from burglars" and "resisting gubmint takeover" and "I need to protect my family." Nobody is dumb enough to be fooled by such asinine justifications (except maybe yourselves), and you're not smart enough to convince anyone (except for maybe yourselves). So please stop trying, it's not working and you make yourself look silly. If you want to own a gun, man up and admit the real reason you want it - that you think you're a badass with it, that you think they're cool and fun to shoot, or you're intrigued by their power. And when guns lead to violence, don't try to defend the lack of restrictive laws. We all know that the crazy guy in the theater wouldn't have killed a single person if he was armed with just his fists.

inb4 knife - you fucks know what I mean.

Also, Usd, why do you keep bringing up training? Are you for less gun restrictions so long as people get training? Please, you'd need constant training to be even a little skilled with one.

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Disassembled, no, but you are supposed to keep it stowed, unloaded, and with the safety on. Adds up to the same thing which is the stowed and unloaded weapon won't do much good should an intruder get the drop...but safeties can fail, and the same 14-year-olds who dig through Daddy's closet to get at his Playboy magazines are going to come across the gun easily enough.



This isn't really true either. It's easy to reach basic competence with a weapon. But basic competence, or even advanced skill, is not going to equate to good judgement and safe application in the conditions in question.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

It's honestly not that hard to slide a clip in and work the action to chamber a round, but I think I'd prefer chasing people around the house with the busted table leg I keep in the laundry closet.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste