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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:23 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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According to Reefer Madness, you're only one step away from killing a person.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:57 pm  
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Guns are for killing. Cars are for travel.

Cannot compare. Even remotely. Sorry.

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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:06 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Law abiding citizens should be able to own guns of any type because law abiding citizens... well, abide by the law. If a law abiding citizen takes their firearm and commits a crime, then they're no longer law abiding citizens. They're then criminals. (This is really easy, guys.) Normally, criminals become criminals because they don't follow the law and commit a crime... so if a criminal wants to kill a person (or group of people) then they're going to do it, regardless of the gun laws. Even if we lived in a world without guns we'd still have sick motherfuckers that are intent on killing people... it'd just be with knives, blunt objects, crossbows, chemicals, vehicles, explosives, etc.

Simply put, strict gun control laws take the guns out of the law-abiding individuals hands but does nothing to take them out of the criminals hands. That's why violent gun crimes still exist in places with strict gun control laws.


This guy was a law-abiding citizen, too. Your point is moot.

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They mentioned something about weapons violations, I'd be interested to know what weapons he actually had. If they were illegal etc.

http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm

Control + F, "Aurora"
Gives you an idea of the firearm related laws that he broke... not to mention all the other laws which could've been broken without the use of a firearm... you know, like killing people, dispensing tear gas in a movie theater and trying to booby-trap an apartment to kill whoever walked inside.


Nice Google. From the link you cited:

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In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities, rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25), all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.


So you debunked your own argument. What this guy did was perfectly legal.

...we should keep a tally of how many times libertarians/neocons Google something to support their arguments (because they don't read books) then it turns out they don't read what they Google either, and it turns out to contain facts that completely debunk their argument...


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:08 pm  
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You know, that's a burn. Aestu has horrible reading comprehension and even he found that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:35 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
Aestu has horrible reading comprehension.


This is well documented...and I think I've found the cause. Aestu reads too fucking fast.

Aestu wrote:
It's an unnecessarily long rant with some valid points and some nonsense.
(it took me about 45 seconds to read, fwiw)


He read the Marylin Manson letter I posted on page one of this thread ( viewtopic.php?f=21&t=10891 ). Word count: 1523. So, given his claims at reading it in about 45 seconds...Aestu reads at an astonishing 2030 words per minute.

The average human can read at 250-300 wpm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_ ... prehension



So I think what we've learned is that Aestu may be the fastest reader in history, or he simply skims most things, or both. Regardless, the side effect is that his comprehension is absolute dogshit. Honestly, this makes a whole lot of sense if you ever read his conversations on FUBU. I think he just skims, grabs a sentence/statement he thinks he can poke a hole in, and moves from there. I guess we all knew that, but I now have conclusive proof!


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:38 pm  
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not to mention pulls tonsils out through noses, but he's not the focus of this thread, and you two shouldn't make him one.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:55 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
not to mention pulls tonsils out through noses, but he's not the focus of this thread, and you two shouldn't make him one.


Point taken. Realizing that Aestu could read War and Peace from cover to cover in just under 4.5 hours has given me a new perspective on his genius. I just wanted to share.


Back to topic - I read a very interesting article on Slate that owns all the NRA arguments that just one person in the theatre with a gun could've stopped the shooter. Basically saying that to stop gun violence you should remove more gun laws.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ingle.html

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[Holmes] wore a ballistic helmet, a ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector, a groin protector, and tactical gloves. He was so well equipped that if anyone in that theater had tried what the National Rifle Association recommends—drawing a firearm to stop the carnage—that person would have been dead meat. Holmes didn’t just kill a dozen people. He killed the NRA’s answer to gun violence.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:29 pm  
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This is the first I'd heard of full tactical gear, holy shit.

Where could he afford to buy this shit? That gear is expensive!


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:10 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Where could he afford to buy this shit? That gear is expensive!


That's what I was saying D:


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As for home defense, have a pump action shotgun. They're relatively cheap, and no burglar in his right mind is going to continue down a dark hallway when someone racks a shotgun. You probably don't even have to have a round in it, no one's taking a step further after hearing that CLI CLACK, but you definitely should keep any and all firearms loaded and properly maintained. Elsewise why have them?


They sure as fuck wouldn't expect an arrow to the chest. I keep my cheap bow strung at all times. I do keep my 45# unstrung, but it only takes a second to string it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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Yeah I don't see the difficulty of keeping it loaded with safety on and out of reach of a small child. I keep mine on top of my closet on a shelf which is about 8-9 feet high. I have to stretch to pick it up so I don't see a child being able to get to it easily.
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:00 pm  
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Kayllaira wrote:
Usdk wrote:
Where could he afford to buy this shit? That gear is expensive!


That's what I was saying D:


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As for home defense, have a pump action shotgun. They're relatively cheap, and no burglar in his right mind is going to continue down a dark hallway when someone racks a shotgun. You probably don't even have to have a round in it, no one's taking a step further after hearing that CLI CLACK, but you definitely should keep any and all firearms loaded and properly maintained. Elsewise why have them?


They sure as fuck wouldn't expect an arrow to the chest. I keep my cheap bow strung at all times. I do keep my 45# unstrung, but it only takes a second to string it.


The reason I picked a shotgun is because the loud sound it makes when you cock it, and the almost universal understanding of the connotations of that sound. That's the deterrent. A bowstring? I feel like you're fucking with me, even though bow shooting is awesome.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:24 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:31 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Where could he afford to buy this shit? That gear is expensive!


Credit card.

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Yeah I don't see the difficulty of keeping it loaded with safety on and out of reach of a small child. I keep mine on top of my closet on a shelf which is about 8-9 feet high. I have to stretch to pick it up so I don't see a child being able to get to it easily.


Safeties can fail and children can do surprising things.
(My father tried the same thing and I got to his Playboy magazines anyway ^_^)

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Word count: 1523. So, given his claims at reading it in about 45 seconds...Aestu reads at an astonishing 2030 words per minute. The average human can read at 250-300 wpm. So I think what we've learned is that Aestu may be the fastest reader in history, or he simply skims most things, or both. Regardless, the side effect is that his comprehension is absolute dogshit.


Mediocrities try to find fault with everyone above their level. You think that I am not average, therefore, I must be full of it. Right? So in your brain, everyone who is good is average. Mediocrity incarnate.

Obviously I have better critical thinking skills than you and a far broader knowledge base. So clearly I am reading something.

Skilled readers can modulate their pace. I can scan even faster than I did with that passage, but that would cost a lot of comprehension. I sometimes find it necessary to spend many minutes on a single paragraph. It is the same mental habit that people develop naturally with examining objects visually.

The passage you linked was not dense or complex, it was written at an elementary school level. That's not a negative reflection on MM, just saying, it doesn't take long to read something that simple.

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The reason I picked a shotgun is because the loud sound it makes when you cock it, and the almost universal understanding of the connotations of that sound. That's the deterrent. A bowstring? I feel like you're fucking with me, even though bow shooting is awesome.

So like Fanta said. You want to be a badass. No rational defense strategy here, just playing with guns because you think they're cool. Brandishing a weapon in that manner is incredibly stupid for many reasons.

Your intent, obviously, is to intimidate an invader. To make him afraid.

The problem is, fear makes people unpredictable, and unpredictable people are dangerous. Is he going to run, or is he going to rush you? Is he going to draw his weapon and rake the house? Is he going to start a fire, or look for a human shield? Is he going to call his buddy and have him catch you unawares?

As I said - most criminals do not use guns in their crimes and do not want to draw because doing so is an aggravating offense. But if the criminal has reason to fear for his life, drawing on you and risking getting shot or life in prison is much more attractive than you shooting him in the back.

When you throw in variables that are not knowable to you such as the invader's sanity, intoxication, armament, training and numbers, the truth of the matter is you have absolutely no idea what he will do when he hears you cock your shotgun.

And no, "well if he knows what's good for him he'll run" is not a valid response. There's a lot of assumptions in that cute little phrase. Maybe he doesn't know what's good for him, and maybe you don't either. It's entirely possible the invader is even crazier than you are. Never get in a fight with someone crazier than you are: you can't win against someone who cares more about killing you than staying alive.

Never draw a weapon unless you are prepared to use it. And if you are prepared to use it, then you use it when the opportunity presents itself. Now if you don't have the balls to do that, then you aren't as tough as you think. And the appropriate strategy for you, even more so than most people, is to lock yourself in your closet and wait for the invader to leave.

In conclusion, what I just described, is the thought process common to people who aren't stupid, crazy or a coward trying to play badass. One considers all the risks then does what seems to offer the best chance of survival, whether it's cool or not.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:11 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Mediocrities try to find fault with everyone above their level. You think that I am not average, therefore, I must be full of it. Right? So in your brain, everyone who is good is average. Mediocrity incarnate.

Skilled readers can modulate their pace. I can scan even faster than I did with that passage, but that would cost a lot of comprehension. I sometimes find it necessary to spend many minutes on a single paragraph. It is the same mental habit that people develop naturally with examining objects visually.

The passage you linked was not dense or complex, it was written at an elementary school level. That's not a negative reflection on MM, just saying, it doesn't take long to read something that simple.


Scanning =/= reading

I don't doubt that you scan things...which is why you routinely make incorrect assumptions, claim things are said that were never said, and so on.

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Obviously I have better critical thinking skills than you and a far broader knowledge base. So clearly I am reading something.


According to whom? You? Because you say so?

Prove it.

You can't.


Anyway, we're all off topic once again and into a pissing contest. I'll just concede that you can read faster and comprehend more than anyone I've ever known. You're right, I only can understand or commend average. Anything that isn't average is automatically considered to be fake by me.

Can I send you a copy of Atlas Shrugged and Les Miserables? PM me your address. I assume you could have them both read in 8 hours.


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