The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings

Usdk · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:30 pm

I know how to cook, clean, repair the very basics of electronics(sockets, light fixtures, etc) furniture repair and some basic plumbing.

I learned how to fire a firearm after I was 18. Everything else beforehand.

I'm not sure where this "we don't teach our kids anything" comes from. Maybe living in a house you own as opposed to an apartment you rent. If something breaks, you have to fix it or pay someone to fix it for you.

Though I won't deny the fact that there's millions of shit parents out there that don't teach their kids shit.

Eturnalshift · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:31 pm

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Whatever you say. Most of those skills you list are either marginal/intangible or basically useless Robinson Crusoe-style skills that have no application in the civilized world. I'm quite certain you're not multilingual (you certainly aren't multicultural) and I doubt you learned CPR as a kid which is far, far more likely to save a life than knowing how to make yourself a Tarzan loincloth or beat some other kid up (let's not pretend that "learn to fight" actually means martial arts or self-defense in the sense of "here's how you don't wind up dead", which is less about how to fight and more about how to not fight).

And for the millions of gun nuts in this country who talk about gun education the point stands. They are interested in training their kids in how to use weapons but not in how to save lives or to learn core skills that are far more likely to have a pervasive influence on their lives.

And there is only one possible explanation why that is so.

Aww, is Aestu mad that the skills I've learned aren't the same that his horrible and inept parents taught him? In addition to the 'Robinson Crusoe-style' skills in my arsenal (which could be as invaluable to saving a life as CPR could be in some cases), my parents also gave me a sense of pride, showed me some self-reliance and they gave me the opportunity to develop some solid work ethics. Did they teach me CPR? No, they didn't... but they did teach me enough about the real world so I wouldn't be some mid-twenty-something still clinging to mommy and daddy's purse strings, incapable of surviving in the world on my own merit.

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:59 pm

Eturnalshift wrote:

Aww, is Aestu mad that the skills I've learned aren't the same that his horrible and inept parents taught him? In addition to the 'Robinson Crusoe-style' skills in my arsenal (which could be as invaluable to saving a life as CPR could be in some cases),

Knowing to how skin an animal will never save your life. Sorry. (At least no more than knowing how to cultivate plants, which I suppose is my counterpart to that skill). I don't like my parents or many of the decisions they made but I do think the skill set they gave me (reading/writing/arithmetic/history/culture) is better than average and I would not trade it for yours. Not to say the two are mutually exclusive.

Incidentally, Jews are commanded to teach their children three things, the third of which is to swim (metaphorically as well as literally) - so my parents made sure I had that skill. I'm sure we can all swim, I'm just saying, the religious command makes sense because the skill is considered a lifesaver.

Eturnalshift wrote:

my parents also gave me a sense of pride, showed me some self-reliance and they gave me the opportunity to develop some solid work ethics.

I don't really see how teaching you to mooch off the government like a welfare momma is teaching you pride or self-reliance.

Usdk wrote:

Though I won't deny the fact that there's millions of shit parents out there that don't teach their kids shit.

Hmm. Well, let's look at it this way.
What skills do you think are most useful for a boy, in what order?

I'll go first:

1. world literature
2. French and/or Chinese
3. swimming
4. algebra
5. programming
6. musical instrument
7. general science
8. Latin
9. bookkeeping
10. craftsmanship
11. cooking
12. fencing
13. marksmanship
14. astronomy

What about you? Add or remove any skills you like.

In the highly unlikely and wholly abhorrent event I have a child, I plan on taking a much more intensive approach to education than my parents. Actually, that's probably true of most FUBUers and probably most future parents of our generation.

DoubleH · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:10 pm

I don't think anyone here is trying to forcibly make people buy firearms... I am merely saying that one obviously crazy person in MILLIONS shouldn't ruin something for the rest of us.

And yea I think that is a big difference USD. I'm always amazed by the things people "can't" do. I think it has a lot to do with apartment/rental living and the throw away life style most people have these days.

I think people tend to think in terms of themselves. If you spend your whole life paying people to unclog toilets or paint walls for you maybe your mystified by the guy who does everything for himself(My father does pretty much everything..Plumbing, heating, electrical, construction, automotive, hell he is the chairman of the town planning board dealing with legal issues. I don't I have the knowledge and skills that he has but I soak up as much as I can !).

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:02 pm

I would question the wisom of performing home maintenance rather than pay a professssional to do it.

While some basic proficiency such as unclogging toilets, replacing air filters, mucking rain gutters, applying touch-up, changing oil. - that sort of thing - is good and necessary, past that - replacing insulation or wiring, painting, plumbing, ventilation, etc - I would think it wiser to pay an expert, simply because he's going to have more experience and know things that you don't know that you don't know. If he screws up, you can sue; if you screw up, you're simply screwed. In essence, hiring a professional is just like buying insurance, you're spending money to defeat risk.

I remember renting a place from these two brothers who did a fix-up on a foreclosed townhouse. They didn't caulk things properly, didn't install windows correctly, and, most humorously, aroused the cable guy's ire by using electrical wire instead of cable, causing massive noise. Most of these mistakes, simple or stupid as they may have been, could have been averted with just a bit more experience.

Azelma · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:42 pm

Aestu wrote:

Hmm. Well, let's look at it this way.
What skills do you think are most useful for a boy, in what order?

I'll go first:

1. world literature
2. French and/or Chinese
3. swimming
4. algebra
5. programming
6. musical instrument
7. general science
8. Latin
9. bookkeeping
10. craftsmanship
11. cooking
12. fencing
13. marksmanship
14. astronomy

What about you? Add or remove any skills you like.

Jumped in cause this is fun!

btw why French? I get Chinese, but I think Spanish > French in terms of use...especially in America.

Some of these are things I'd teach directly, others would just be exposure.

1. musical instrument
2. World and US Literature
3. swimming
4. algebra / basic arithmetic
5. programming / SEO / how to make a web site for fun, and one that makes money
6. World Religions
7. general science
8. Latin
9. bookkeeping/Financial management / investment (put all of this together under the umbrella of "Money")
10. Mechanical engineering
11. cooking / basic nutrition
12. Rules and How to Play: Soccer / Football (American) / Hockey / Basketball / Baseball
13. camping / hiking / general survival skills
14. classical and modern poetry (including how to structure rap)
15. Spanish and/or Chinese
16. Salesmanship
17. Classic and Contemporary Cinema, excluding blockbusters.

DoubleH · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:48 pm

I was not trying to imply that he was some kind of handyman /shrug he has spent the last 25 years in construction(much of it high end second homes) and has a bachelors degree in science. He went to the Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point(NY) for his degree and was trained in a LOT of different things as on most sea vessels at the time you had a very small crew an they needed to be adept at many things.

He came out of school with a great grasp on mathematical subjects which translates into all kinds of things. Everything it takes to build/keep a house is math. Again people who don't know how to do anything think things are harder to do then they are.

Philosophy and History are great but w/o math/engineers there would be no pyramids or colosseums or librarys to keep those memorys around and computers to give them to the masses.

If you understand math there is always a way.

I wasn't trying to imply that people should do in home brain surgery or anything else they can't do. Wiring a house is rules, read a book, you've done that right?

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:15 pm

DoubleH wrote:

Philosophy and History are great but w/o math/engineers there would be no pyramids or colosseums or librarys to keep those memorys around and computers to give them to the masses. If you understand math there is always a way.

I think Bradley said it best. "Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

I would more than agree with you that STEM studies are grossly underrated these days - and math is the gateway to all such knowledge - but both are necessary.

I firmly believe that an educated person should possess both a strong background in the humanities and technical skills, and a viable and functional society consists of such individuals.

DoubleH wrote:

Wiring a house is rules, read a book, you've done that right?

Theory and application are two different things, no? And besides the EE aspect, there's the manual task of installing all the stuff. It's not a question of difficulty or laziness, simply that I would assume it is not something that one can do quite perfectly the first time as an amateur. Simple things like lining panels up or laying wire in an efficient way or making sure things don't run in ways that make maintenance difficult or risk exposure. Or is it really, truly that easy?

Usdk · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:19 pm

the most important thing you can teach a child is how to teach themselves, and to not be afraid to learn.

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:35 pm

Usdk wrote:

the most important thing you can teach a child is how to teach themselves, and to not be afraid to learn.

loooooooooooooooooooool

Usdk · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:38 pm

Whatever dude. I left the nest. What have you got?

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:59 pm

Then you can pretend someone with a job "lol'd". Same difference.

Battletard · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:11 pm

Aestu wrote:

Then you can pretend someone with a job "lol'd". Same difference.

Nothing he said is untrue.

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:14 pm

Battletard wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Then you can pretend someone with a job "lol'd". Same difference.

Nothing he said is untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

Battletard · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:16 pm

Aestu wrote:

Battletard wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Then you can pretend someone with a job "lol'd". Same difference.

Nothing he said is untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

My pointing this out is not in any way able to be construed as a red herring, nor is his original comment able to be construed as a red herring.

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