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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:18 pm  
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How is my employment status relevant to his capacity to learn and accept challenge?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:44 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
How is my employment status relevant to his capacity to learn and accept challenge?


I'm referring to his assertion of what is important to teach your children when I state 'nothing he said is untrue.'


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-christian-bale-visits-aurora-victims,0,5413315.story

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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:56 pm  
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Right on Christian Bale.

As well as Christian Bale's PR group.

Now I hope he gets into his Batman getup, and then beats the fuck out of the murderer while he sits in his cell.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:03 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Or is it really, truly that easy?


House hold wiring is pretty damn simple : [ you need to know what wire to put where(loads required/ traffic expected, the hard part) you need to put the wires where people aren't going to put nails in them(STAY AWAY FROM DOORS AND WINDOWS) on horizontal planes drill holes in studs so nails/skrews into said studs wont hit the wire and/or use nail plates, on verticals staple wires to studs. As far as how wires are hooked up to make a light work you just follow a wiring diagram for what you are trying to do(much easier nowadays with google but there are books). Not exactly sure how to wire a circuit panel but I'm pretty sure the panel comes with instructions.

Plumbing is a little more complicated. But it to is pretty easy these days with Pex tubing for water lines as you can get hardware stuff which works fine that you use a tool to just clamp shit together. You have to account for flow(how much water you need on a "run") but in residential situations you pretty much run half inch to everything(you can steal off a sink for a toilet fine). The more complicated part is the drainage and there are in fact a LOT OF RULES because your drainage system is connected to your venting and different stuff needs different stuff.

Heating...Depends what kind of heat you are running, I only really have experience with hot water(not a lot of forced air systems in the north east since air conditioning is not needed) which you either do baseboard or radiant heat. It's good to know how much heat you need(what your heatloss is in the winter) and there are mathematical equations for cubic feet of air in a room / outside walls / number of windows and doors on the outside walls. You can only put so much baseboard in a room and Xfeet of baseboard gives X BTU's so its not as bad as radiant is. With radiant you have a lot of factors, you are running loops of tubing between the stringers in a floor. So you only have so much floor space to work with. Depending on the heatloss you can do 5/8 inch or 3/4 inch tubing to get more heat. You can do shorter loops(that retain heat longer) or higher temp water through the loops to gain more BTU's, they also make these aluminum plates you can nail up and clip the tubes into which gives you better heat transfer. Depending on the size of the house or the number of zones you might need to have manifolds that a zone goes to that is fed by larger(inch to 1 1/14 tube) tubing. Once your in the boiler room you have options as to how you want it and how your boiler is setup. Most boilers come with schematics that will give you options to copy out but they don't match up exactly so you have to adjust them to fit what you are doing.


And cars are like playing with Legos(Chilton's Repair Manuals ftw) !! But for some stuff you do need specialized tools /shrug.
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I think they are like any other hands on skill, I decided when I was like 16 that I wanted to build my own computer and since I'm not made of money I knew that I needed to do it right the first time. So I did a lot of research into terminology and what different things do and how they work together and made decisions(AMD vs Intel / Radeon / Nvidia and brand comparisons). Now all those things above are way more complicated then building a computer since they have more parts and larger scale but its the same principle, if you take the time to look at how its supposed to be done then I think most people can handle it.

Now I will say that inefficiency does come into play. If you need some large project done fast it can be wallet efficient to pay someone to just get it done. But in my fathers case he enjoys solving problems, doesn't mind working with his hands and with the business he chose he can't create wealth when he is around the house and where he chose to live there is only so much work to be had. So for him he can work doing a job until its done(there is a lot of timing involved building a house you can't just step in and do all the P/H ing it goes in steps around things the other contractors are doing) then he can come home and play with cars or work on the house or what ever for a few hours before he goes to bed(or research something he is planning on doing).



Raid time + I've said way to much off topic + no one cares. Last thing, if it seems like I know a lot about any of those thing above... I don't know that much, I just know that if I needed to repair something I could figure out how and save myself $$ ++ Home Owners Insurance will cover the home owner doing stupid shit kk thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:21 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:28 pm  
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at least it's scaled decently.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:29 pm  
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Xeoni wrote:
at least it's scaled decently.

I just punched 50% and went with it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:42 pm  
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Doing home improvements and maintenance is incredibly simple if you understand geometry, physics and the basics of electrical circuitry. My old man and I've done so much to my house and... well, we all know how stupid I am, right?
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:08 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Whatever you say. Most of those skills you list are either marginal/intangible or basically useless Robinson Crusoe-style skills that have no application in the civilized world. I'm quite certain you're not multilingual (you certainly aren't multicultural) and I doubt you learned CPR as a kid which is far, far more likely to save a life than knowing how to make yourself a Tarzan loincloth or beat some other kid up (let's not pretend that "learn to fight" actually means martial arts or self-defense in the sense of "here's how you don't wind up dead", which is less about how to fight and more about how to not fight).

And for the millions of gun nuts in this country who talk about gun education the point stands. They are interested in training their kids in how to use weapons but not in how to save lives or to learn core skills that are far more likely to have a pervasive influence on their lives.

And there is only one possible explanation why that is so.


I don't think anyone does prioritize it over other skills...that's just an assumption you appear to making, but I'm sure you'll tell us how it's backed up by years of experience sitting in front of your monitor, and some book you read somewhere. I'm still trying to figure out how someone says they learned half the skills you asked about only to have you call those skills "marginal" and bitch because they didn't learn a second language. If those skills were "marginal," why the fuck even bring them up?

I haven't spoken a language other than English in almost 20 years, unless you count my bluffing my way through Spanish in college so I could get some credits and try to mack on the hot Spanish professora. My CPR and First Aid knowledge are likewise way out-of-date. If any of those things provided more than 'marginal' utility, I wouldn't have allowed my skills employing them to lapse. The fact that those skills are lapsed due to lack-of-use perfectly demonstrates how much utility they actually provided.

Thinking back to my formative years, handling, shooting, and cleaning a gun was probably the last useful thing I learned from my father. That was probably in my early teens. The years before were filled with "don't touch that" as far as guns were concerned, and I learned other, far more useful skills from both my parents, such as sewing, cooking, table manners, how to do laundry, auto repair (my father owned, and still owns, a salvage business), and a host of other skills. I don't think guns were anywhere near the top of the list of priorities at all. I doubt it was much different for anyone else, especially since I grew up in the backwoods during a time when guns were so ubiquitous that kids drove to school with them hanging in their trucks during hunting season.

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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:37 pm  
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I've always said that when I had kids I wanted them to grow up learning other languages. Only problem is, I don't speak anything else fluently, and I'm mediocre at best at Japanese and ASL :( French has gone completely out the window save for a few simple phrases and proverbs.


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Kayllaira wrote:
I've always said that when I had kids I wanted them to grow up learning other languages. Only problem is, I don't speak anything else fluently, and I'm mediocre at best at Japanese and ASL :( French has gone completely out the window save for a few simple phrases and proverbs.


Get an immigrant caretaker to hang out with your kids. If I ever have kids, that's what I'm going to do, just so they can get immersion learning.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:50 pm  
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An immigrant hanging out with English speaking kids, in an English speaking society, with an English speaking parent doesn't seem very immersive.
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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Eturnalshift wrote:
An immigrant hanging out with English speaking kids, in an English speaking society, with an English speaking parent doesn't seem very immersive.


Young children have remarkable powers of language osmosis.


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