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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:07 pm  
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What would have happened during the American Revolution if none of the colonists had been allowed to own guns, and hadn't been able to form militias?


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They would have gotten guns and formed militias anyway.
It would only have been a little more difficult.


This is the more likely answer. Also see: the Bastille (15 years after the American Revolution).

Point being that popular revolutions are successful only when things are so bad that the government monopoly on force is a moot point. Governments fall when they lose the faith of the people, not when they are outgunned.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:59 pm  
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You know criminals are law-abiding citizens before they commit a crime.

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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:10 pm  
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EDIT: Argument has already been beaten to death and back. What you say is a lot of Walter Mitty fantasies proped up by silly Ramboisms like "positively identified" and "(s)".

Linking a list of crimes doesn't change the fact that life in an armed society is more dangerous than life in an unarmed society or that weapons confer far less advantage to victims than criminals.

The fact that you or I may or may not be able to exercise the capability to kill people sensibly does not change the fact that others equally entitled to the capacity to kill people may not. And unlike you or I they will not care about the consequences for doing so.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:33 pm  
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I was thinking about getting a handgun. Can't decide between a sig or a glock.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:57 pm  
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I was thinking about getting a handgun. Can't decide between a sig or a glock.


You volunteer you want a gun but you don't say why. If you actually wanted the gun for a valid reason you'd say what it was so as to solicit a relevant opinion rather than fixate on OMG IM GETTING A GUN


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:00 pm  
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Law enforcement. Off duty piece.

It's not an immediate concern, but it's on the list.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:06 pm  
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Law enforcement. Off duty piece.


Wannabe badass. Got it.

I mean, why else would you need an off-duty weapon? You're a professional or Rambo. Which is it?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:39 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Law enforcement. Off duty piece.


Wannabe badass. Got it.

I mean, why else would you need an off-duty weapon? You're a professional or Rambo. Which is it?


Are you so unhappy with your unemployed, probably impotent, waste of a life that you have to spend your many, many free hours dogging on people for trying to establish careers for themselves so they can have better lives?

Cops are expected to have an off duty piece and their badge on them at all times unless they're drinking alcohol. If I get into the police force or sheriff's office, I'll be carrying a firearm at all times. For reasons that should be obvious, but I'm not sure you're capable of understanding it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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Usdk wrote:
I was thinking about getting a handgun. Can't decide between a sig or a glock.



Sig Sauers suck balls : [ Glocks are ok for 9mm but I would go with either a .45(mini frame 1911) or a revolver(.44 special is a good round) if I was ever going to carry.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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Holster two six-shooters on the hips with an ammo belt half-saddled on your waist. Such a wannabe badass.
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:03 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Are you so unhappy with your unemployed, probably impotent, waste of a life that you have to spend your many, many free hours dogging on people for trying to establish careers for themselves so they can have better lives?


You don't want a "better" life, what you want is a life insulated from your own problems. The only difference between relying on Mommy & Daddy and relying on your posse is that I'm more honest about the nature of my relationship with them.

Usdk wrote:
Cops are expected to have an off duty piece and their badge on them at all times unless they're drinking alcohol. If I get into the police force or sheriff's office, I'll be carrying a firearm at all times. For reasons that should be obvious, but I'm not sure you're capable of understanding it.


Expected by whom? Is that a regulation or a posse thing, like the retarded mustaches?

The reasons are obvious. You're a wannabe badass, and you're a wannabe badass because you are insecure.

You fear difficulty and challenge in all aspects of life. You have an ambivalent attitude towards authority and the herd, alternately trying to use them to validate yourself while insisting you're better for no apparent reason. You're a compulsive womanizer yet can't seem to establish a stable and mature relationship. You seem unable to admit you cannot do some things well, lack knowledge in any given area, or are unequal to any person or situation, and use sarcasm and circumlocution to attack the proficiency of others. You try to back up irrational attitudes by talking in vague generalizations rather than question those attitudes. All those are typical characteristics of insecure people.

People who are insecure in those ways are compelled to seek affiliation and projected authority because they are not emotionally strong enough to face life on their own. Affiliation and projected authority gives them a sense of approval and insulates them from the consequences of their lack of strength and wisdom. Where normally they would be ridiculed for being stupid and ignored for being inept, they can rely on their badge to carry them through life.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:15 pm  
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Let me ask you something, Aestu.

Who do you think is happier and leading a more fulfilling life? Usdk, or you? Me or you? Weena or you? Eturnal or you? Cally or you? Jubber or you? Anyone else on FUBU or you?


Who goes to bed happier? Who smiles more? Who laughs more? Who loves more? Who hates less?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:21 pm  
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Let me ask you something, Aestu. Who do you think is happier and leading a more fulfilling life? Usdk, or you? Me or you? Weena or you? Eturnal or you? Cally or you? Jubber or you? Anyone else on FUBU or you? Who goes to bed happier? Who smiles more? Who laughs more? Who loves more? Who hates less?


That is the fundamental difference between you (and they) and I. Happiness is much lower on my hierarchy of values. You equate what is good or honorable with what makes one happy. I do not.

You evaluate beliefs, attitudes, ways of life, based on whether they make you happy or not. I use different criteria, so naturally my way of looking at things arrives at very different conclusions.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:27 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Let me ask you something, Aestu. Who do you think is happier and leading a more fulfilling life? Usdk, or you? Me or you? Weena or you? Eturnal or you? Cally or you? Jubber or you? Anyone else on FUBU or you? Who goes to bed happier? Who smiles more? Who laughs more? Who loves more? Who hates less?


That is the fundamental difference between you (and probably they) and I.

Happiness is much lower on my hierarchy of values.


I guess you value what you value it for your own reasons, but to me....that's not a good thing or something to strive for. Maybe you're brilliant and we're all a bunch of morons, but if we get one shot at this life might as well enjoy it and be happy.

It's just telling that you'd be so intent on tearing Usdk down for pursuing something. Just like you tear me down for doing what I do.

You're all negativity. Love a little, man.



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