The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:17 pm

Aestu wrote:

Boredalt wrote:

A woman firing a pistol is hot. Men love a woman who really knows how to handle a weapon.

Cocaine's a helluva a drug.

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:34 pm

Of all the things that could be said about Freud one way or the other, I don't grasp why people fixate on his cocaine use.

Necrachilles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:38 pm

Aestu wrote:

Of all the things that could be said about Freud one way or the other, I don't grasp why people fixate on his cocaine use.

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It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:39 pm

Aestu wrote:

Of all the things that could be said about Freud one way or the other, I don't grasp why people fixate on his cocaine use.

That's surprising to me, I think you of all people, given your views on drug use in general, would be one to fixate on it.

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:28 pm

Freud did drugs to experiment, and Freud was a genius.
Most people do not do drugs to experiment, and most people are not geniuses.

My criticism of drug use is that the emotions that drug use is meant to suppress are extremely useful. Freud was certainly not oppressed by excessive feelings of euphoria or optimism or unwilling to think about the darker side of life.

Necrachilles wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Of all the things that could be said about Freud one way or the other, I don't grasp why people fixate on his cocaine use.

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It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.

I'm pretty sure the entire cast was on cocaine. Still, the first thing that comes to mind when you say Mark Hamill is Luke Skywalker, not cocaine.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:42 pm

Ha pretty funny you admire Freud considering how many people today agree a lot of his theories were absolute crap in hindsight. Quite a bit of pseudoscience.

Aestu wrote:

Freud did drugs to experiment, and Freud was a genius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud#Cocaine

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As a medical researcher, Freud was an early user and proponent of cocaine as a stimulant as well as analgesic. He believed that cocaine was a cure for many mental and physical problems, and in his 1884 paper "On Coca" he extolled its virtues. Between 1883 and 1887 he wrote several articles recommending medical applications, including its use as an antidepressant. He narrowly missed out on obtaining scientific priority for discovering its anesthetic properties of which he was aware but had mentioned only in passing.[107] (Karl Koller, a colleague of Freud's in Vienna, received that distinction in 1884 after reporting to a medical society the ways cocaine could be used in delicate eye surgery.) Freud also recommended cocaine as a cure for morphine addiction.[108] He had introduced cocaine to his friend Ernst von Fleischl-Marxow who had become addicted to morphine taken to relieve years of excruciating nerve pain resulting from an infection acquired while performing an autopsy. However, his claim that Fleischl-Marxow was cured of his addiction was premature, though he never acknowledged he had been at fault. Fleischl-Marxow developed an acute case of "cocaine psychosis", and soon returned to using morphine, dying a few years later after more suffering from intolerable pain.[109]

The application as an anesthetic turned out to be one of the few safe uses of cocaine, and as reports of addiction and overdose began to filter in from many places in the world, Freud's medical reputation became somewhat tarnished.[110]

After the "Cocaine Episode"[111] Freud ceased to publicly recommend use of the drug, but continued to take it himself occasionally for depression, migraine and nasal inflammation during the early 1890s, before giving it up in 1896.[112] In this period he came under the influence of his friend and confidant Fliess, who recommended cocaine for the treatment of the so-called nasal reflex neurosis. Fliess, who operated on the noses of several of his own patients, also performed operations on Freud and on one of Freud's patients whom he believed to be suffering from the disorder, Emma Eckstein. However, the surgery proved disastrous.[113] It has been suggested that much of Freud's early psychoanalytical theory was a by-product of his cocaine use.

Funny that you're so against medications for depression, but Freud decided that Cocaine was good for that. If he were a true genius, wouldn't he have focused on the ills in society?

Cocaine is also known to increase sex drive - curious given what much of his theory focused on.

Freud wrote:

Woe to you, my Princess, when I come... you shall see who is the stronger, a gentle girl who doesn't eat enough or a big wild man who has cocaine in his body.

Haha, coked up letter to his bride to be.

I don't know why, I think it's hilarious you respect Freud so much.

Necrachilles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:58 pm

Aestu wrote:

Necrachilles wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Of all the things that could be said about Freud one way or the other, I don't grasp why people fixate on his cocaine use.

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It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.

I'm pretty sure the entire cast was on cocaine. Still, the first thing that comes to mind when you say Mark Hamill is Luke Skywalker, not cocaine.

I was refering more specifically to the Death Star.

Usdk · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:19 pm

And on hoth all the snow was white, just like cocaine, amirite?

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:24 pm

Azelma wrote:

Ha pretty funny you admire Freud considering how many people today agree a lot of his theories were absolute crap in hindsight. Quite a bit of pseudoscience.

Do you seriously contend that the views of "many people today" are more valid than that of a single genius? How do you know that Freud wasn't right and they're not wrong?

What have these people brought to the table to give you such confidence in their opinions?

Azelma wrote:

Funny that you're so against medications for depression, but Freud decided that Cocaine was good for that. If he were a true genius, wouldn't he have focused on the ills in society?

He did. Freud's big contribution wasn't cocaine, it was his process of psychoanalysis and his incisive criticism of Victorian society. The society we live in today is more the creation of Freud than anyone else.

Every genius has been wrong about at least some things. To be a genius does not mean one is infallible. It simply means that one can conceive and share original ideas beyond the wit of those who are merely intelligent. It is a combination of incredible intelligence, creativity and sheer energy made manifest in unfathomable insight and munificent vision. Freud had that.

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Cocaine is also known to increase sex drive - curious given what much of his theory focused on.

Again, Freud was a genius, most cocaine users are not, what is your point?

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I don't know why, I think it's hilarious you respect Freud so much.

Well, maybe it's worth asking: why is that hilarious to you?

You claim to not think you're better than anyone else. Does that go both ways - do you resent it when there's reason to believe someone is better than you, better than most people? Do you feel uncomfortable acknowledging that some people possess profound insight you lack?

You put a lot of faith in the free market and money as a measure of merit. Does it cause you unease when something that is intangible and devoid of monetary value is unobtainable at any price and yet enormously powerful?

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They fear what cannot be purchased, for a trader cannot comprehend a thing which is priceless.

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:37 pm

Aestu wrote:

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The Morganites fear what may not be purchased, for a trader cannot comprehend a thing which is priceless.

-Sister Miriam Godwinson, "The Collected Sermons" (fixt)

I raise you:

And when at last it is time for the transition from megacorporation to planetary government, from entrepreneur to emperor, it is then that the true genius of our strategy shall become apparent, for energy is the lifeblood of this society and when the chips are down he who controls the energy supply controls Planet. In former times the energy monopoly was called "The Power Company"; we intend to give this name an entirely new meaning.

-CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Centauri Monopoly"

They understand entirely.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:38 pm

Aestu wrote:

Well, maybe it's worth asking: why is that hilarious to you?

http://www.dichotomistic.com/mind_readings_freud.html

It's just funny to me that you would discount something like Marriage and Family Counseling and psychiatrists...and then champion Freud's theories as law and praise Freud as a genius, one of the greatest thinkers ever. I mean, don't you see how that's hilarious?

Aestu wrote:

You claim to not think you're better than anyone else. Does that go both ways - do you resent it when there's reason to believe someone is better than you, better than most people? Do you feel uncomfortable acknowledging that some people possess profound insight you lack?

Nope. I acknowledge many people who have profound insight, much more than I could ever hope to possess. Just not Freud.

Or do you honestly want me to believe you are the way you are and have the motivations you do solely because of sex? Come on, Ethan.

Aestu wrote:

You put a lot of faith in the free market and money as a measure of merit. Does it cause you unease when something that is intangible and devoid of monetary value is unobtainable at any price and yet enormously powerful?

When have I ever said money is a measure of merit? Can you find that quote for me? I think someone is better simply because they make more $$?

A spoiled rich kid has literally no merit. I will however give someone merit who took a risk and started their own business, and it ended up being successful. I appreciate artists and thinkers who died penniless. Notice the difference there?

The fact that you believe I think money=merit is exceptionally stupid.

Xeoni · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:59 pm

Sometimes I view these threads just to have them marked as read.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:06 pm

Xeoni wrote:

Sometimes I view these threads just to have them marked as read.

I don't blame you.

Necrachilles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:25 pm

Xeoni wrote:

Sometimes I view these threads just to have them marked as read.

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Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:02 pm

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