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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:18 pm  
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Everything is related if you take a far enough step back.

I was going to make the point that government regulation of firearms would have put people out of a job to bring things full circle but it would have just been snotty.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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What would you people think of this platform:

1a. All products and services sold in the US must be produced in accordance with US law.
1b. The protections of US law now apply universally to everywhere and everyone in the Americas.

2a. As a condition of receiving a license, corporations are required to observe all regulations applicable to federal agencies, including equal opportunity, equal access [to infrastructure and services], and freedom of information.
2b. Courts, state institutions and licensed corporations are banned from recognizing race or ethnicity, or actioning gender issues.
2c. Corporations found guilty of crimes now pass personal legal culpability onto all management responsible for the activities, or who benefited in any way, whether they knew or not.

3a. State governments observe a monopoly on power, water and gas, backed up by federal law.
3b. Private contractors may bid to fulfill this monopoly.

4a. Recall of all US dollars, to be redeemed with a new currency backed by tree-covered land.
4b. Any caches of dollars greater than $50k not previously declared on tax forms and/or deposit records of licensed US banks are void and will not be redeemed for the new currency.
4c. Limit six turn-ins per individual.
4d. Foreign-held T-bills will be redeemed at 75% of their principal.

5a. Land, sales, income and corporate taxes are dramatically increased, normalized nationwide, and distributed to local governments per capita.
5b. States are no longer permitted to collect their own taxes.

6a. Charitable donations are no longer tax-deductible.
6b. Religious organizations are no longer tax-exempt.

7a. Candidates for office will receive a lump payment for expenses plus guaranteed airtime from all licensed broadcasters, upon meeting a quorum of 75,000 or one-tenth the voting age population of the region, whichever is less.
7b. Donations to politicians are outlawed.

8a. The Electoral College is to be disbanded. Its responsibilities will devolve on the House of Representatives.
8b. Veterans Day is now Voting Day.

8. Social Security restricted to persons over 65.

9a. Guaranteed housing and payouts for any and all American citizens who enroll in a national labor force. Labor force will be used to build infrastructure, roads and fortifications.
9b. Labor forces are organized and pair for by the federal government, but placed at the disposal of state and county governments.
9c. Any leftover personnel will be subcontracted off to private industry.

10. As a condition of holding a license to practice medicine or law, lawyers and doctors are no longer permitted to work freelance. They must participate in the DKP system described in another thread (bid against their peers on cases and patients in a token economy).

11. Personal ownership of guns restricted to weapons that meet three or more of the following criteria:
11a. Firing rate less than five rounds a minute.
11b. Magazine size smaller than ten projectiles (each pellet in a shotgun counts as a projectile).
11c. Smoothbore barrel.
11d. Designed before 1910.
11e. No automatic loading mechanism.

12. National Guard now responsible for maintaining public armories/firing ranges nationwide, and providing mandatory military training for all high schoolers.

13a. Reduction in military headcount of 2% annually for 20 years.
13b. Reduction in military spending for 4% annually for 20 years.

14a. All men between the ages of 18 and 30 must serve five years in the Army or Navy.
14b. Conscript forces are attached to National Guard units and placed at the disposal of state and country governments.
14c. Local police forces will get whatever people the military can't use.
14d. Conscripts are forbidden from serving in police forces within 1,000 miles of their state of citizenship.

15a. Public schools and universities will be fully funded and banned from charging for tuition, materials, room or board.
15b. Educational system will be defined by standardized exit exams.
15c. Private diplomas will be recognized as the equivalent of public diplomas only if correlated with the same exit exams.
15d. Tenured educators are required to spend at least fifteen hours a week teaching classes.
15e. Administrators are required to have spent eight years at their respective institution as a tenured educator.
15f. Administrators are voted in by all educators at an institution.

16a. University professors will cast votes for the chancellorship. The five with highest vote total will be submitted to the host city for direct election by the populous.
16b. So that distribution of federal assets per capita to local governments provides adequate revenue, universities will be bound not to cities but to entire metropolitan areas.

17. Educated foreigners (determined by exit exams and sponsorship by peers and the chancellor) who complete twenty years of non-tenured research and teaching will receive citizenship and a dacha (built by the local National Guard conscript labor organization).

18a. Universities will be tasked with research and development on new fields of research: space exploration, bio-engineering, quantum theory, and fusion power.
18b. Research objectives will be tasked to the chancellorship of fixed institutions by the Senate on a eight-year basis, with staggered distribution.
18c. A new system of medals, decorations and titles will be afforded as incentives for pushing things forward.

19. All foreign military offensive action requires a declaration of war.

20a. Black budgeting is outlawed.
20b. The CIA, NSA, and DIA are disbanded. CIA/NSA/DIA employees and contractors are to declare themselves and enter the employ of the FBI in the same paygrade. Former CIA/NSA/DIA members can either:
20c. seek amnesty for any crimes they may have committed, forfeit any and all future promotions, be required to register with the government as "persons of interest" (cannot leave their state, change residence, open a banking account or own a house), and are forbidden from quitting their jobs.
20d. declare all activities and face criminal prosecution for any misdeeds they have committed.

21a. Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation. Couples of the same gender or without children are defined as households, with mutual power of attorney and inheritance.
21b. Adoption is restricted to marriages for three years.
21c. Divorce now results in mutual forfeiture of children to the state.
21d. The father is recognized as possessing patrias potestas.
21e. Alimony is outlawed.

22a. Committing eight misdemeanors, three non-concurrent felonies, having an IQ below 90, having more than three children, or serious birth defects now forfeits reproductive rights.
22b. Children with serious birth defects are to be terminated.
22c. Reproductive support is outlawed.
22d. Artificial insemination may only use material from feral human populations.

23a. Rape is no longer a crime.
23b. Sexual violence is considered an aggravating charge of assault and/or battery.

24a. Prostitution is legal, but requires a monthly license and bi-weekly testing
24b. Prostitution can only be practiced at licensed facilities, hosted by the state.

25a. The use of drugs is punishable by a heavy fine and two weeks in the stockade.
25b. The sale of drugs is punishable by crucifixion.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:02 pm  
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Ill have to check after work, omw outta here.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:56 pm  
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That list... oh jeez.
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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:58 pm  
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Made some edits. What do you think, Eturnal?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:54 pm  
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Why did you choose to end your list with drugs and wtf is

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25b. The sale of drugs is punishable by crucifixion.


I read this and try to find correlations between crucifixion and drugs but fail every time. Is this you trying to be creative or something?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:17 pm  
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Xeoni wrote:
Why did you choose to end your list with drugs and wtf is

Aestu wrote:
25b. The sale of drugs is punishable by crucifixion.


I read this and try to find correlations between crucifixion and drugs but fail every time. Is this you trying to be creative or something?

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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:20 pm  
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Honestly? Because it was an afterthought.

Pushers and dealers are bad people who do bad things. Crucifixion is a horrible way to die and therefore an effective deterrent for people who act out of greed.

I also believe that the sexually violent, embezzlers and other economic criminals should be punished through crucifixion, but people who commit murder or petty crimes should simply be guillotined. Draft dodgers and people who cause serious economic calamities should be hanged. The punishment should fit the crime.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:38 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Pushers and dealers are bad people who do bad things.

I wish I could be the ghost of high school past and show you the probable 1-2 dealers at your school who were genuinely decent people, driven by relationships instead of profits.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:45 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
I also believe that the sexually violent ... criminals should be punished through crucifixion


Why decriminalize rape and make sexual assault on the same level as battery, then?

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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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The intent is to establish the difference between "I didn't want it" and "he made me do it".

Does that seem reasonable, Mayo?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:21 am  
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2c. Corporations found guilty of crimes now pass personal legal culpability onto all management responsible for the activities, or who benefited in any way, whether they knew or not.


So, some guy, we'll call him Bob, who happens to be in management, has no idea that his company is doing something illegal to get extra profits. Maybe he's HR management, so while he knows people's salaries etc, he doesn't look at the companies books and in fact isn't permitted to. His superior hands him a bonus "hey Bob, great work last quarter" which he accepts, again, having no knowledge that anything illegal was going on. He goes about his work, shows up on time, is pleasant to everyone, and even donates to charities because he's getting a nice salary and bonuses every now and again.

Then it's revealed that the FInance execs and other top execs working alongside Bob were cheating on the company's taxes, using the extra money to pay bonuses to top managers and themselves. Bob's bonuses came from this.

Bob gets thrown in jail?


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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The Door Into Summer ~ Heinlein wrote:
The job I found was crushing new ground limousines so that they could be shipped back to Pittsburgh as scrap. Cadillacs, Chryslers, Eisenhowers, Lincolns - all sort of great big, new powerful turbobuggies without a kilometer on their clocks. Drive'em between the jaws, then crunch! smash! crash! - scrap iron for blast furnaces.

It hurt me at first since I was riding the ways to work and didn't own so much as a Grav-Jumper. I expressed my opinion of it and almost lost my job....until the shift boss remembered I was a Sleeper and really didn't understand.

"It's a simple matter of economics, son. These are surplus cars the government has accepted as security against price-support loans. They're two years old now and then can never be sold....so the government junks them and sells them back to the steel industry.

You can't run a blast furnace just on ore; you have to scrap iron as well. You ought to know that even if you are a Sleeper. Matter of fact with high-grade ore so scarce, there’s more and more demand for scrap. The steel industry needs these cars."

"But why build them in the first place if they can't be sold? It seems wasteful."

"It just seems wasteful. You want to throw people out of work? You want to run down their standard of living?"

"Well why not ship them abroad? It seems to me they could get more for them on the open market abroad then they are worth as scrap."

"What! and ruin the export market? Besides, if we started dumping cars abroad we'd get everyone sore at us - Japan, France, Germany, Great Asia, everybody. What are you aiming to do? Start a war?"


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
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21c. Divorce now results in mutual forfeiture of children to the state.


I see what you're getting at here, trying to lower the divorce rate.

But what if some guy is abusive to his wife, sexually assaults her on a nightly basis (spousal rape is real), cheats on her, and is an overall shitstain.

If she divorces him, she loses her children to the state?

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22a. Committing eight misdemeanors, three non-concurrent felonies, having an IQ below 90, having more than three children, or serious birth defects now forfeits reproductive rights.


Love this.

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22b. Children with serious birth defects are to be terminated.
22c. Reproductive support is outlawed.
22d. Artificial insemination may only use material from feral human populations.


22b: WTF harsh man. I wonder if you'd feel this way if you had a sibling with a birth defect or something.
22c: What is the purpose of this? Some people would be wonderful parents and need help to have some kids. Why is this a problem?
22d: WAT?

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23a. Rape is no longer a crime.
23b. Sexual violence is considered an aggravating charge of assault and/or battery.


I kinda hope you get buttraped in this Aestutopia.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:40 am  
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http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-teen-kills-eight-knife-attack-reports-102629246.html

The U. S. should learn from this and be pro-active and immediately introduce legislation requiring much hoop-jumping before anyone can purchase, own, use or carry a knife! 8)


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