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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:52 am  
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Boredalt wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-teen-kills-eight-knife-attack-reports-102629246.html

The U. S. should learn from this and be pro-active and immediately introduce legislation requiring much hoop-jumping before anyone can purchase, own, use or carry a knife! 8)

inb4 someone tells you, "hurhurhur a guns primary purpose is to kill and a knife's isn't"
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Boredalt wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-teen-kills-eight-knife-attack-reports-102629246.html

The U. S. should learn from this and be pro-active and immediately introduce legislation requiring much hoop-jumping before anyone can purchase, own, use or carry a knife! 8)

inb4 someone tells you, "hurhurhur a guns primary purpose is to kill and a knife's isn't"


I was just pretend trolling, because to be fair, you have to acknowledge the validity of that position even if you support gun ownership which I do.


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Boredalt wrote:
Eturnalshift wrote:
Boredalt wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-teen-kills-eight-knife-attack-reports-102629246.html

The U. S. should learn from this and be pro-active and immediately introduce legislation requiring much hoop-jumping before anyone can purchase, own, use or carry a knife! 8)

inb4 someone tells you, "hurhurhur a guns primary purpose is to kill and a knife's isn't"


I was just pretend trolling, because to be fair, you have to acknowledge the validity of that position even if you support gun ownership which I do.


We need comprehensive reform that extend beyond merely gun control. Gun control is all the media talks about, all politicians talk about, all pundits talk about, all the voters talk about.

I blame the sensationalist media as this topic originated in criticism of it.

They stir shit up because it sells, and the more they do it the more non-news they can report on about how divided the nation is, "is America facing another civil war", etc.

And in so doing, they've created even more of a shit storm. It's really ugly and cheap, and we should hardly be surprised we have no real solutions to our most serious issues.

If you were a politician, would you bother outlining detailed and potentially controversial plans to do anything on any given issue? Nope.

"These people are too dumb to reason with, just come up with some funny one liners for Letterman tomorrow night and we'll see our polling surge."


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:19 am  
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Tard wrote:
"These people are too dumb to reason with, just come up with some funny one liners for Letterman tomorrow night and we'll see our polling surge."

Meanwhile, Tard links a funny one-liner about Mitt Romney as if being wealthy or owning a couple homes is somehow a problem for a candidate.

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I think there is sensationalism in the media but I don't think it has any real impact on the issue because there isn't an issue. You have a small group of people who want to continually limit, or amend to repeal, the constitutional rights of all Americans because, annually, a very small fraction of a percentage of adults misuse their firearms. Fortunately, we have a system in place to punish people who misuse firearms for criminal activity, in much the same way we have a system in place which punishes people who do anything illegal -- drive intoxicated, use illegal substances, stab individuals, steal identities, etc. The great thing about this system is it punishes the individuals who are responsible for the crime and not everyone else.


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Well, when your tax rate is laughable compared to the average person, people making a tiny % of what you do, due to capital gains taxes.....

When you're the richest presidential candidate in history who tries to say you understand the plight of the middle class.....

When your plans are to cut taxes for the wealthy...which is you.....


Yeah......


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What would you people think of this platform:

1a. All products and services sold in the US must be produced in accordance with US law. Agree
1b. The protections of US law now apply universally to everywhere and everyone in the Americas. No. American law should only protect American citizens.

2a. As a condition of receiving a license, corporations are required to observe all regulations applicable to federal agencies, including equal opportunity, equal access [to infrastructure and services], and freedom of information. As long as freedom of information doesn't give away a company's R&D, fine.
2b. Courts, state institutions and licensed corporations are banned from recognizing race or ethnicity, or actioning gender issues. Deal.
2c. Corporations found guilty of crimes now pass personal legal culpability onto all management responsible for the activities, or who benefited in any way, whether they knew or not. I'm fine with this. Put in some incentives for whistleblowers while you're at it.

3a. State governments observe a monopoly on power, water and gas, backed up by federal law. No. I don't like monopolies of any kind.
3b. Private contractors may bid to fulfill this monopoly. Nope, one monopoly is the same as another.

4a. Recall of all US dollars, to be redeemed with a new currency backed by tree-covered land.
4b. Any caches of dollars greater than $50k not previously declared on tax forms and/or deposit records of licensed US banks are void and will not be redeemed for the new currency.
4c. Limit six turn-ins per individual.
4d. Foreign-held T-bills will be redeemed at 75% of their principal. Not gonna go near currency.

5a. Land, sales, income and corporate taxes are dramatically increased, normalized nationwide, and distributed to local governments per capita. Nope.
5b. States are no longer permitted to collect their own taxes. No. The states are just as capable without having the federal government as the middleman when it comes to taxes.

6a. Charitable donations are no longer tax-deductible. No. Never put a roadblock in the way of charity.
6b. Religious organizations are no longer tax-exempt. Deal, so long as its only property taxes. Not sure of any other money involved in religion other than donations, which should be tax exempt at the least.

7a. Candidates for office will receive a lump payment for expenses plus guaranteed airtime from all licensed broadcasters, upon meeting a quorum of 75,000 or one-tenth the voting age population of the region, whichever is less. Not sure how I feel about this. Not sure it would change anything.
7b. Donations to politicians are outlawed. Disagree. If 7a is in effect, this won't matter anyway.

8a. The Electoral College is to be disbanded. Its responsibilities will devolve on the House of Representatives. Nope. I don't like the electoral college, but putting the house, which could be massively right or massively left in charge of the presidential election could be disastrous.
8b. Veterans Day is now Voting Day. Combine the two. Patriotism is high enough on that day for it to be a good election day, and lots of people are off work anyway.

8. Social Security restricted to persons over 65. 70.

9a. Guaranteed housing and payouts for any and all American citizens who enroll in a national labor force. Labor force will be used to build infrastructure, roads and fortifications. Agree. With the caveat that they can be sent home at any time if the projects run out.
9b. Labor forces are organized and paid for by the federal government, but placed at the disposal of state and county governments. Sure.
9c. Any leftover personnel will be subcontracted off to private industry. As well as having some sort of a job placement assistance program for volunteers in the labor force.

10. As a condition of holding a license to practice medicine or law, lawyers and doctors are no longer permitted to work freelance. They must participate in the DKP system described in another thread (bid against their peers on cases and patients in a token economy). Don't recall this system. Seems like that scene in Rome when Titus Pullo needed a laywer though.

11. Personal ownership of guns restricted to weapons that meet three or more of the following criteria:
11a. Firing rate less than five rounds a minute. Meeeeh. Maybe.
11b. Magazine size smaller than ten projectiles (each pellet in a shotgun counts as a projectile). No.
11c. Smoothbore barrel. No. They're categorically more dangerous to the shooter if ill maintained.
11d. Designed before 1910. No.
11e. No automatic loading mechanism. No.

12. National Guard now responsible for maintaining public armories/firing ranges nationwide, and providing mandatory military training for all high schoolers. A bootcamp for a bunch of the nation's youth would be good.

13a. Reduction in military headcount of 2% annually for 20 years. Deal. Starting with the noncombatants who don't do shit.
13b. Reduction in military spending for 4% annually for 20 years. 3%.

14a. All men between the ages of 18 and 30 must serve five years in the Army or Navy. Agreed. 2 if going to college, or trade school after.
14b. Conscript forces are attached to National Guard units and placed at the disposal of state and country governments. Get from volunteers in the labor force first.
14c. Local police forces will get whatever people the military can't use. No. There's a lot of people you really don't want to have a gun and a badge. The selection process for law enforcement is extensive for a reason, even if shitbags still slip through.
14d. Conscripts are forbidden from serving in police forces within 1,000 miles of their state of citizenship. I dunno. 200 miles of home county should be enough.

15a. Public schools and universities will be fully funded and banned from charging for tuition, materials, room or board. Maybe.
15b. Educational system will be defined by standardized exit exams. Sure.
15c. Private diplomas will be recognized as the equivalent of public diplomas only if correlated with the same exit exams. Deal
15d. Tenured educators are required to spend at least fifteen hours a week teaching classes. 18, assuming you mean professors.
15e. Administrators are required to have spent eight years at their respective institution as a tenured educator. Fewer years if they worked longer hours.
15f. Administrators are voted in by all educators at an institution. No. Leadership positions aren't popularity contests. Most qualified is most qualified. Though I wouldn't be averse to a veto power if by 2/3 of the educators vote against.

16a. University professors will cast votes for the chancellorship. The five with highest vote total will be submitted to the host city for direct election by the populous. 5 most qualified go up for votes, after the veto votes.
16b. So that distribution of federal assets per capita to local governments provides adequate revenue, universities will be bound not to cities but to entire metropolitan areas. Agreed.

17. Educated foreigners (determined by exit exams and sponsorship by peers and the chancellor) who complete twenty years of non-tenured research and teaching will receive citizenship and a dacha (built by the local National Guard conscript labor organization). Sure, with the option to then apply for tenure.

18a. Universities will be tasked with research and development on new fields of research: space exploration, bio-engineering, quantum theory, and fusion power. If the schools are science schools, yes.
18b. Research objectives will be tasked to the chancellorship of fixed institutions by the Senate on a eight-year basis, with staggered distribution. Maybe just leave these to the top schools in science.
18c. A new system of medals, decorations and titles will be afforded as incentives for pushing things forward. Deal.

19. All foreign military offensive action requires a declaration of war. No. We've policed the world enough.

20a. Black budgeting is outlawed. Deal.
20b. The CIA, NSA, and DIA are disbanded. CIA/NSA/DIA employees and contractors are to declare themselves and enter the employ of the FBI in the same paygrade. Former CIA/NSA/DIA members can either: Maybe better to just combine them all into the NSA, or the NSA section of the FBI.
20c. seek amnesty for any crimes they may have committed, forfeit any and all future promotions, be required to register with the government as "persons of interest" (cannot leave their state, change residence, open a banking account or own a house), and are forbidden from quitting their jobs. No see 20d.
20d. declare all activities and face criminal prosecution for any misdeeds they have committed. No, clean slate for all or you put families and others at risk from foreign provocateurs.

21a. Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation. Couples of the same gender or without children are defined as households, with mutual power of attorney and inheritance. Nah. The practicality of a partnership should be private. Get rid of marriage licenses and let couples get their own lawyers.
21b. Adoption is restricted to marriages for three years. Deal.
21c. Divorce now results in mutual forfeiture of children to the state. Harsh. Might lower the divorce rate though. Agree on a probationary 10 year trial.
21d. The father is recognized as possessing patrias potestas.
21e. Alimony is outlawed. Fucking deal.

22a. Committing eight misdemeanors, three non-concurrent felonies, having an IQ below 90, having more than three children, or serious birth defects now forfeits reproductive rights. Nope.
22b. Children with serious birth defects are to be terminated. This isn't sparta.
22c. Reproductive support is outlawed. If people want to spend the money, let them.
22d. Artificial insemination may only use material from feral human populations. What?

23a. Rape is no longer a crime. No. However, if a rape charge is proven to be false, extremely harsh penalty for the accuser.
23b. Sexual violence is considered an aggravating charge of assault and/or battery. Maybe

24a. Prostitution is legal, but requires a monthly license and bi-weekly testing. Deal. Outside city limits.
24b. Prostitution can only be practiced at licensed facilities, hosted by the state. Closely regulated by the state, but let private institutions exist.

25a. The use of drugs is punishable by a heavy fine and two weeks in the stockade. Sure. Longer for harder drugs.
25b. The sale of drugs is punishable by crucifixion. Cruel and unusual punishment. 20 times the sentence for using the drug, multiplied by amount of drugs sold. Come up with a "serving size" per drug as a standard of measurement.



Entertaining read.


And tard, all presidential candidates these days are wealthy. "MORE WEALTHY!" doesn't really make a damn bit of difference.


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 Post subject: Re: The Media's Role in Perpetuating Mass Shootings
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:35 am  
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I think we're also forgetting that Mittens refuses to share his tax returns. Pretty hilarious.



Oh, and Usdk - respond to my scenario here:

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2c. Corporations found guilty of crimes now pass personal legal culpability onto all management responsible for the activities, or who benefited in any way, whether they knew or not.


So, some guy, we'll call him Bob, who happens to be in management, has no idea that his company is doing something illegal to get extra profits. Maybe he's HR management, so while he knows people's salaries etc, he doesn't look at the companies books and in fact isn't permitted to. His superior hands him a bonus "hey Bob, great work last quarter" which he accepts, again, having no knowledge that anything illegal was going on. He goes about his work, shows up on time, is pleasant to everyone, and even donates to charities because he's getting a nice salary and bonuses every now and again.

Then it's revealed that the FInance execs and other top execs working alongside Bob were cheating on the company's taxes, using the extra money to pay bonuses to top managers and themselves. Bob's bonuses came from this.

Bob gets thrown in jail?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:50 am  
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Just throw the finance managers and anyone else involved in jail. Plus their bosses.

If I work in the motor pool and some dude goes on a shooting spree on the upper floors, I shouldn't be held responsible.

But yeah everyone who had something to do with it should burn.


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Azelma wrote:
Well, when your tax rate is laughable compared to the average person, people making a tiny % of what you do, due to capital gains taxes.....

When you're the richest presidential candidate in history who tries to say you understand the plight of the middle class.....

When your plans are to cut taxes for the wealthy...which is you.....

Yeah......

What's laughable is that near half of all Americans have no income tax liability, yet people (like Aestu a couple pages back) think everyone should be forced to contribute whether they want to or not. Mitt Romney, like Warren Buffet, has contributed far more in taxes and in charity than most of us here will make in a lifetime. How much more do you want to take from him? Is 15% capital gains not enough? What about 18%? 30%? Just remember that whatever you increase the capital gains to will also affect your retirement and investments, as well as that of the elderly which can often depend on investment returns. How heartless of you to not think of them.

And get over this, "Mitt Romney is Rich" shit. Yes, the man is rich. Is he the richest candidate ever? Nope. Yes, he had a good childhood. Does he understand the middle class? Who knows!? We know he understands business and politics, and he has a record in both which we can examine... and, hell, that's more than we ever had with this current president. The truth is most Presidents are wealthy people. Even Obama is a wealthy person who didn't grow up exactly 'middle class', as he attended a private school for most of his child hood (Punahou) and attended some of the most elite universities in the country, but we don't question his ability to understand the middle class. Hell, look at all past presidents... and how many were mere common middle-class men?

I think Romney's wealth is such a non-issue and I think it's becoming an issue because Obama doesn't have the greatest record to run on. Instead of running on his own accomplishments he's resorting to attacking a man for his success, while pretending he has no success of his own. Desperation, perhaps?

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I think we're also forgetting that Mittens refuses to share his tax returns. Pretty hilarious.

Wrong. Romney did release his tax returns. Now Democrats want more because they didn't find fault in what was provided. That's hilarious. Know what else is hilarious? A President which spent however much money trying to keep his birth certificate from entering the public arena. Know what else is funny? A highly academic President which hasn't really released any information on the college years. Wanna hear another? Obama was the head of the Harvard Law Review but... well, maybe you could show me one of his law reviews?

Tit-for-tat is so childish of me.
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The birth certificate was an non-issue made into an issue by retardicans (not all republicans, just the most... well, retarded... ones). Didn't you just accuse the left of making issues of non-issue a couple posts back? See, the reason tit-for-tat is dumb is because it gets nowhere, not because it's childish. Both sides have shit, we know, we get it.

Now, tax returns are supposed to be released, and will have NO adverse consequences on his campaign UNLESS there is something to hide. Even his republican "friends" (the ones bashing him just a couple months ago as it were) are calling fro him to man up and release them and bear any backlash for as long as it holds out. Until then, this WILL be an issue that WILL have adverse consequences for him.. on second thought, keep them under wraps Mittens (I like this nickname, Azelma lolol).

Name me one reason why he shouldn't release more tax returns (as Obama has done). While we're at it, how about a long form birth certificate too.


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Now, tax returns are supposed to be released
I agree. There shouldn't be a problem with releasing tax returns and Romney did just that -- he released two years of his tax returns. Democrats want more... in fact, they want 10 years worth because, "That's what Obama released", although in 2008 Obama released 2000-2006, and the other years were kinda wrapped into his presidency. Romney said he's not going to release more because Democrats would use it against him.
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...and will have NO adverse consequences on his campaign UNLESS there is something to hide.

Except, as Azelma has already demonstrated, the adverse consequence is that Democrats are going to make Romney look "out of touch" or whatever else because of his wealth. There doesn't have to be any hidden, sinister book-keeping and account shuffling. The Democrats looked at the released returns and said, "Ah ha! He's rich! And he donated a lot of money to his church and other charities! So evil!" To some people, success and money are evil things and Romney is aware of that. That's exactly why two years of McCain's tax returns were enough to satisfy the masses compared to Obama's six years. Now that the evil, rich business man is running for office two years just isn't enough. Democrats trying to vilify the success of a man, as always.
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If all democrats have to focus on is how he won't release a decade of tax returns, it's not going to be enough to keep obama in office.

especially because its a non-issue.


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21c. Divorce now results in mutual forfeiture of children to the state.

I see what you're getting at here, trying to lower the divorce rate.
But what if some guy is abusive to his wife, sexually assaults her on a nightly basis (spousal rape is real), cheats on her, and is an overall shitstain.
If she divorces him, she loses her children to the state?


Why did she marry him in the first place?
Children need stability above all else.

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22b. Children with serious birth defects are to be terminated.
22c. Reproductive support is outlawed.
22d. Artificial insemination may only use material from feral human populations.


22b: WTF harsh man. I wonder if you'd feel this way if you had a sibling with a birth defect or something.
22c: What is the purpose of this? Some people would be wonderful parents and need help to have some kids. Why is this a problem?
22d: WAT?


The overall goal is to prevent long-term degeneration of human stock. There is also the long-term risk that over-reliance on reproductive aid may render humans unable to reproduce naturally. Reproductive aid tends to produce feeble or genetically damaged young, and in the here and now, there's no shortage of orphans.

Seriously compromised children produced through reproductive aid may not live quality lives, but increasing the adoption rate by outlawing the procedures will undoubtedly improve the lives of many orphans. How is that not good and good?

By "feral human populations" I mean hunter-gatherer societies that are still kept strongly in check by natural selection. The goal is to utilize artificial insemination as a means of reintroducing their genetic material to domesticated human populations.

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So, some guy, we'll call him Bob, who happens to be in management, has no idea that his company is doing something illegal to get extra profits. Maybe he's HR management, so while he knows people's salaries etc, he doesn't look at the companies books and in fact isn't permitted to. His superior hands him a bonus "hey Bob, great work last quarter" which he accepts, again, having no knowledge that anything illegal was going on. He goes about his work, shows up on time, is pleasant to everyone, and even donates to charities because he's getting a nice salary and bonuses every now and again.

Then it's revealed that the FInance execs and other top execs working alongside Bob were cheating on the company's taxes, using the extra money to pay bonuses to top managers and themselves. Bob's bonuses came from this.

Bob gets thrown in jail?


The answer is, "Why do you get paid the big bucks?"

The goal is to force business execs to police their own companies and stop with this feigned ignorance BS. If people think they can go to jail if their company is breaking the law, then they will keep a close eye on things. And that's why they get paid the big bucks.

(In your scenario, the big bosses would go to jail too "whether or not they knew what their subordinate was doing").

Seems fair, no? With high pay comes responsibility.


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You have a small group of people who want to continually limit, or amend to repeal, the constitutional rights of all Americans because, annually, a very small fraction of a percentage of adults misuse their firearms. Fortunately, we have a system in place to punish people who misuse firearms for criminal activity


We have proven guns cost more lives than they save.

That "system" cannot bring back the dead, has zero power over crazy people, and it seems strange to defend guns on the basis of the same system whose flaws are often used to justify gun ownership.

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Except, as Azelma has already demonstrated, the adverse consequence is that Democrats are going to make Romney look "out of touch" or whatever else because of his wealth. There doesn't have to be any hidden, sinister book-keeping and account shuffling. The Democrats looked at the released returns and said, "Ah ha! He's rich! And he donated a lot of money to his church and other charities! So evil!" To some people, success and money are evil things and Romney is aware of that.


Oh really? What if there is?

Everyone knows he's rich. So it is illogical to believe that the Dems want his returns to prove the point.
The question is, is he a cheat? That's what the tax returns will tell us.


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1b. The protections of US law now apply universally to everywhere and everyone in the Americas. No. American law should only protect American citizens.


The goal here is to discourage illegal immigration and hiring of illegal Mexicans by removing their competitive advantage.

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5a. Land, sales, income and corporate taxes are dramatically increased, normalized nationwide, and distributed to local governments per capita. Nope.
5b. States are no longer permitted to collect their own taxes. No. The states are just as capable without having the federal government as the middleman when it comes to taxes.


They aren't. Go read about the circus that is Prop 13. Or about how reliance of counties on sales/land taxes has led to overwhelming sprawl and terrible economic inefficiency as counties build redundant stores etc to compete for the same few dollars.

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6a. Charitable donations are no longer tax-deductible. No. Never put a roadblock in the way of charity.


How do you decide what's a charity and what's a tax shelter or political coven?

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7a. Candidates for office will receive a lump payment for expenses plus guaranteed airtime from all licensed broadcasters, upon meeting a quorum of 75,000 or one-tenth the voting age population of the region, whichever is less. Not sure how I feel about this. Not sure it would change anything.
7b. Donations to politicians are outlawed. Disagree. If 7a is in effect, this won't matter anyway.


It would kill the role of money in politics. 7b is necessary to ensure all candidates have an equal chance to get their message out there, then let people make up their minds on an equivocal basis.

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8a. The Electoral College is to be disbanded. Its responsibilities will devolve on the House of Representatives. Nope. I don't like the electoral college, but putting the house, which could be massively right or massively left in charge of the presidential election could be disastrous.


Read the Constitution. The Electoral College has the same distribution as the House of Representatives. The goal is to make it more accountable to prevent the kind of nonsense we saw in the last three elections (and will see again next year).

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10. As a condition of holding a license to practice medicine or law, lawyers and doctors are no longer permitted to work freelance. They must participate in the DKP system described in another thread (bid against their peers on cases and patients in a token economy). Don't recall this system. Seems like that scene in Rome when Titus Pullo needed a laywer though.


I watched bits and pieces on Youtube but never saw that particular scene. The real Titus Pullo was a Pompeian officer in charge of a naval squadron in Spain. He's a (very) minor character in De Bello Civili. The Pullo depicted in HBO's Rome is pure fiction, and some of the things he does, such as the way he kills Cicero, are actually completely contrary to how things actually happened - we know how Cicero died and that scene bears no resemblance to reality. The depiction of Caesar's death is incredibly accurate, however.

Usdk wrote:
15d. Tenured educators are required to spend at least fifteen hours a week teaching classes. 18, assuming you mean professors.
15e. Administrators are required to have spent eight years at their respective institution as a tenured educator. Fewer years if they worked longer hours.


Educators spend a lot of time busy out of the classroom, both grading papers, meeting with students, answering emails, meeting with admin. Currently, a lot of educators spend all their time on "research", which usually means writing propaganda, and this is a major cause of spiraling education costs. The goal is to make sure research and education are undertaken by all the same people, keeping education relevant. However, it does mean that any one educator would have to spend less time teaching or doing research than at present.

Usdk wrote:
15f. Administrators are voted in by all educators at an institution. No. Leadership positions aren't popularity contests. Most qualified is most qualified. Though I wouldn't be averse to a veto power if by 2/3 of the educators vote against.


How do you determine most qualified?

Usdk wrote:
18a. Universities will be tasked with research and development on new fields of research: space exploration, bio-engineering, quantum theory, and fusion power. If the schools are science schools, yes.


The intent is to dramatically increase the dominance of science education. All universities will be science schools, with the humanities as basically a secondary concern.

Usdk wrote:
19. All foreign military offensive action requires a declaration of war. No. We've policed the world enough.

Uh, that's the point. A declaration of war is a much higher burden than currently exists (which is basically the president saying so).

Usdk wrote:
20c. seek amnesty for any crimes they may have committed, forfeit any and all future promotions, be required to register with the government as "persons of interest" (cannot leave their state, change residence, open a banking account or own a house), and are forbidden from quitting their jobs. No see 20d.
20d. declare all activities and face criminal prosecution for any misdeeds they have committed. No, clean slate for all or you put families and others at risk from foreign provocateurs.


That's dangerous reasoning. Which is more likely to provoke revenge, punishing the guilty, or refusing to do so? The concern here driving this choice is fear that these people would get disgruntled over prosecution or loss of prestige and form a conspiracy against the government. Go look what happened to the KGB - or JFK.

Offering them a choice between coming clean or being chained to their desks (until they die off and their positions vacillate) is a way of preventing these spooks from starting mischief.

Usdk wrote:
21a. Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation. Couples of the same gender or without children are defined as households, with mutual power of attorney and inheritance. Nah. The practicality of a partnership should be private. Get rid of marriage licenses and let couples get their own lawyers.


Power of attorney doesn't mean actually practicing law, it's a formal legal designation similar to next of kin, including most of the powers that spouses have, over life and property and such.

Usdk wrote:
23a. Rape is no longer a crime. No. However, if a rape charge is proven to be false, extremely harsh penalty for the accuser.
23b. Sexual violence is considered an aggravating charge of assault and/or battery. Maybe


The problem with that is that it enables the powerful to get away with rape, or to use it as an instrument of terror. The goal is simply to rationalize rape and define it as necessarily involving violence, not just someone saying they "didn't want it".


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