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If someone wants to be president, I can't see what could be more relevant than if they fulfilled their obligations to the country - or cheated the country they want to rule.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Just tell the IRS to look at them, and if there's nothing wrong/illegal, then let it go.

Reagan was one of this country's most popular presidents and he was straight up guilty of treason. Cheating the country is apparently not a big deal.

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Treason is popular these days.

I wouldn't consider reagan "these days"

not sure if troll

I remember hearing about this, but never followed up on it. Refresher?

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A despotic pro-US Iranian regime, led by "the Shah", was overthrown in 1979, during the Carter administration, by a radical Islamic revolutionary front. The revolutionaries took hostage a bunch of Americans who had been in the country at the time, working with the former regime. Shortly after Reagan was elected to the presidency, they were all sent home.

It was later revealed that Reagan had sold weapons to the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard, in exchange for the return of the hostages. The cash yielded from the arms sales to Iran was given by the Reagan administration to the Contras, drug-running paramilitaries in Nicaragua fighting against the democratically elected left-leaning government.

Four years later, in 1983, the Iranians blew up the US embassy and US Marines barracks in Lebanon, killing over 200 American soldiers and diplomats. 25 years later, the Iranians began supporting the Iraqi resistance against US forces, giving them weapons and supplies.

Reagan remains one of the most popular presidents.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You're right, and his record says that he made millions by essentially shredding contracts and burning companies to the ground. He's good at that, but I wouldn't call him a successful businessman, considering people associate terms like "business" to things that aren't bankrupting businesses and shoving other people's pensions into your pocket.

There's a reason he's trying to get people to stop talking about how he made his celebrity zillions.

Let's not forget that he's a genuine lunatic, as are all Mormons.

PS: Just thought about how Mormonism is basically the Mitt Romney of religions, considering they're willing to throw out any and all beliefs they had just so people will like them more.

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So, in this thread, right-wingers support not one but three politicians who committed some of the most serious crimes we have punishments for (pedophilia, tax evasion and high treason).

All the while insisting Obama is at least equally bad.

It's a sad, funny and terrifying commentary on the American political system.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Aestu doesn't understand that people are innocent until proven guilty.

Soles
Accused of having sexual relations with young men, but was never charged or convicted of these crimes in court... but Aestu and some kids say it happened, so it happened.

Romney
Accused by the ACLU-supporting, privacy-loving progressives, liberals, and Democrats of not paying taxes for 10 years. Despite having a team of accountants and several audits by the IRS (which is understandable considering his income), the Democrats are still making this charge without any evidence other than, "Some guy from Bain, whose name we won't say, said Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years... although, we don't know if that's true." As Jon Stewart said, "... if you have to follow your claim with ‘I don’t know if that’s true,’ then shut up." As I said before, this is a poor attempt by the Democrats to create problems for Romney simply because Obama needs fake scandals at this point. McCain released two years of returns and that was fine... Romney released two years of returns and it's not enough. Why?

Obama
Because accusations and fabrications are more than enough to label people as 'guilty' of actions in Aestu's world...

* Obama is a cheater since the National Enquirer said he cheated on his wife.
* Obama's a compulsive liar since he's admitted to fabricating some parts of his autobiography -- he says for protecting the stories of those involved, but I'm going to say it's because he wanted to make a better story. (I said it so it must be true.)
* Obama's hiding the fact that he went to college as a 'Indonesian foreign national', and as such, he may have lied on his application for some financial advantage or could even be inelligible to be President since he gave us his citizenship.
* Obama's only documented college opinion is a six-page article in the Harvard Law Review. Some Americans have requested he release private papers and transcripts but Obama refused. His refusal is clear proof that he has some questionable opinions, likely espousing his support the for the destruction of America, how he hates the US Constitution, wants to kill all gay people, wishes the Federal government were overthrown by a bunch of Marxists, and that he's an avid supported of the writings of those from the Frankfurt School.
* Obama's a racist since he attended Rev. Wrights church for two decades and absorbed all the sermons of black liberation theology, only to later deny ever hearing any of them, and to ultimately leave the church for their relation ship with the church had "been strained by the divisive statements of Reverend Wright, which sharply conflict with our own views." Interesting how the statements were divisive when it was politically expedient to denounce them, but they weren't for the decades they sat in congregation.
* Obama's administration is guilty of a failed gun walking operation, Fast and Furious, in which the ATF continued to let weapons flow into Mexico under the supervision of the US Government, with no ability to track the weapons once outside the borders. These weapons have been used by drug cartels and linked to the murder of hundreds of Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. (Yes, you guys don't give a shit about the Mexicans that were murdered because they don't look like you, and you're all racists for it.) Obama, in order to cover his ass, exercised Executive Privilege to withhold documentation, that congress requested, which could've been used against Eric Holder and, ultimately, the Obama administration. It's worth mentioning that Obama was critical of George Bush for using Executive Privilege.

So, is Obama as bad as the other three guys on a moral or criminal level? If we're to play by the same rules, Aestu, then yes.

There is one fact you missed on Romney















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Dude can't sing.

So I'm guessing you think OJ is innocent? Yes, no, Eturnal?

Soles has been charged by the local sheriff, the bar association, and the FBI - not Aestu. Again, this is a case of you trying to turn facts into conjecture and conjecture into facts. There's every reason to believe he's guilty because the facts (that he has a long and well-documented history of filing frivolous police reports and holding people at gunpoint) are damning.

Complaining Obama won't release papers he wrote back in his college dayz is a crybaby argument. Probably Obama said some dumb shit in those papers, or they didn't measure up to scholastic standards. Hell, I have a drawer full of school papers I wouldn't want released either. Probably everyone who's ever gone to college and did more than sit through class has written something stupid, bad or ugly that they wouldn't want to be caught dead with.

Saying, doing or writing something stupid is not comparable to committing crimes against the American people, and only a disloyal American would claim that the two are comparable. Why would you think the two are comparable unless you think committing crimes against the American people is as trivial as saying something stupid?

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If the IRS had the capacity or inclination to catch tax evaders, tax evasion would not be rife. Nothing in that CNN article you linked indicated that Romney has been audited, and even if he were, there's ample reason to believe the IRS would be ineffectual because that's just how the fat cats want it.

Presidential candidates releasing their tax returns is nothing new, it's to be expected, and if a president refuses this level of disclosure then it begs the question why he deserves the nation's trust.


You have this, and a factually untrue claim (that he's been audited) to support your position. Since your position rests on a lot of stuff off Pravda and a claim that isn't even true, clearly it's invalid.

I would say that you've been brainwashed, except that isn't even true; this is a case of one disloyal American voting for another disloyal American.



You're trying to compare this to Iran-Contragate.

FnF was a sting operation that went bad because a bunch of federal agencies refused to work together.
Iran-Contragate was Reagan helping terrorists kill American troops so he would get elected.

FnF began in 2006, under Bush - so why not blame Bush?
Why blame Obama, what did he have to get out of FnF?



This mess started under the Bush administration, Obama just brought it to light. You could argue it's one of a very few things his presidency has done well. But the moment shit hits the fan, Pravda blames "dem liberals" even when the truth is provably the opposite. So the guy who found the problem and fixed it gets blamed. Then we wonder why politicians don't want to deal with important issues. Whodathunk?

In reality, neither Bush nor Obama deserve blame but the lunkheads at the DHS/FBI and the people on the border states whose racism impairs their ability to think clearly, who think that all evil on this world is committed by illegal immigrants and white Americans can do no wrong. That attitude is responsible for the mess on the border states, that blame Mexicans for coming into this country illegally, selling drugs and violating the law, but refusing to charge drug users, tax evaders, employers of illegal immigrants...or white right-wingers who deal in illegal weapons and preach the 2nd. This is just another case of the same thing.

Even if Obama were 100% responsible for the mess, it STILL wouldn't be comparable to conspiring with terrorists to win an election.

In summary, what we have here, is a disloyal American, Eturnalshift, voting for other disloyal Americans (Reagan/Romney), because he identifies with their anti-American agenda.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I think we're all overlooking the Mormonism at play here.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... ith-part-1

I used to be pretty dismissive of Mormons.

As time went on, and I gained perspective, I've come to be tolerant of them. If nothing else, one must respect their discipline, commitment to their particular moral code, and ability to get things done.

Calling themselves the "Church of Latter-Day Saints" is pretty accurate. What they're really saying is, "What we believe isn't any crazier than what you believe, we just choose a more recent historical period for the crazy events we believe in".

Tolerance for the Mormons, however, doesn't mean that Romney isn't a crook and traitor.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.