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Begging the question. And begging it only because you get all your ideas from Pravda, including that worthless argument. Saying doesn't make it so whether it's you or a columnist in Pravda.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

lol - Then where did you get your idea... I mean, 'fact', as you like to believe... that Romney is a tax cheat?

Romney is of and advocates the viewpoints of a class of tax cheats - corporate raiders and fat cat libertarians. Our country is where it is because these people aren't contributing.

It's a fact discrete from anything the media says that the richest pay less now than ever before, and therefore should contribute far more, and to argue otherwise - to argue a position based on lies contrary to fact, as Romney does - necessarily pigeonholes one as a fat cat or useful idiot.

Nor is it merely my opinion or something I heard in the media that the amount thereof is substantial. The fact may be reported by the media, but it is neither a vague allegation nor a piece of rhetoric but an actual fact based on the very best data available analyzed by disinterested parties that the amount in question is indeed huge.

If Romney is on the take then he is part of the problem and shouldn't be President.

If he had nothing to hide then he would have no reason to keep the information secret. Tax returns aren't irrelevant or a matter of private life like having seks with women or being a retard in college and the arguments used to keep those things private don't apply here.

Romney is hiding because he's guilty and it's as simple as that.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Wait... you're saying, "Romney is a tax cheat" because of a Googled article which says, "Super rich people have off-shore accounts", but doesn't explicitly say if Romney is one of those with off-shore accounts -- sorry, but that doesn't advance your position very well. The only thing Romney is 'guilty' of is being wealthy and successful, and by extension, you're saying he's guilty of a crime you have evidence of... through an absence of evidence.

You're really going with that?

Merely because you can post a response doesn't mean your position is sustainable.

I didn't Google that article, I read it a while back, because unlike you I am an educated person, which means I seek out general information and build my opinions based on analysis of diverse facts, rather than doing what you do which is reading Pravda then working backwards and Googling or bullshitting to try to make your opinion appear something more than the willful ignorance it is.

Arguing that Romney is wealthy and successful and therefore criticism of him is invalid would necessarily be predicated on the belief that life is fair, which of course it is not. The country is in a mess atm because the wealthy have profited at its expense. To say that Romney is qualified to be president because he's one of the crooks is like saying a mafia boss is qualified to be police chief. After all, I guess you could say mafia dons are wealthy and successful too. No?

Of course as someone who became successful in life through stealing from and betraying your country you will necessarily vote for someone who tells you by way of example that's OK. Which as a common theme in our society in one form or another is why our country is going down the tubes: selfishness as dogma.

None of what you said addressed or defeated the substance of what I said. If you advocate the views Romney does, you are either a fat cat or a useful idiot. Saying that he has yet to personally be proven a cheat is a simple argumentum ad ignorantiam: the limits of our knowledge do not change what we know to be true.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

So if Romney won't release tax returns because he's evading taxes by putting money in offshore accounts(which if he's evading taxes, they wouldn't show up on his tax return anyway) why is virtually everything from Obama's college history sealed?

You have no substance to what you said, Aestu. You keep screaming that the man is betraying our country and that he's some cheat but you have nothing to back that up. Harry Reid made the comment, "Romney hasn't paid taxes for 10 years," and that was shot in the face with the fact that Romney has paid taxes in the last couple years. In 2010 and 2011, he paid over $6,000,000 in taxes, and that's a sum greater than you'll likely ever pay.

Now that we have proven Romney has paid taxes, you're going to say, "Well, it's not enough and he's cheating the country because of X, Y or Z." Well, whose fault is that? Did Romney write the tax code? If he's paying all he's legally obligated to pay, by seemingly following the tax rules, then how are you going to accuse him of cheating the country? Because he's not willingly paying more? If that's the angle you're ultimately trying to take then how come you're not paying more in taxes? How come Obama isn't paying more?

Your 'substance' is based on assumption, speculation and willful ignorance... unless, of course, you can PROVE otherwise. The reason I say you need to PROVE it is because simply saying something exists, without proof, doesn't mean it exists.

A simple solution would be that ALL elected officials should have to disclose their tax documents, seeing as how the public is paying their slaries.

9 level 90s and 10 85s, Damn I need another hobby.

What if they weren't working for the government before they decided to run for office?

How often has that happened?

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I don't know.

But I think that the public should be allowed to know everything about you that the government knows(taxes, birth certif, etc) if you're running for office.

Apples to oranges. This really isn't a valid argument or counterpoint.

If we wanted to go with apples to apples, I'd say both Obama and Romney should disclose their tax returns. "Oh but people will misconstrue what's in the returns if he releases them." Well...

A) Aren't they allegedly doing that already? Lots of republicans are already crying about it, I don't see how not releasing essential documentation is going to stop it.

B) There is, in actuality, no valid reason to keep them under wraps unless there's something to hide.

If we wanted to go with oranges to oranges, I'd say both Romney and Obama should release their college transcripts. Not that it matters because, as Aestu pointed out, if they didn't graduate from their respective institutions, the schools really would just say so, no?

Finally, with regards to McCain, it was enough then because there was no glaring reason or stereotype to make people believe he'd cheat on taxes. He isn't wealthy (and therefore doesn't belong to the class of people who stereo-typically cheat on taxes) and doesn't have offshore bank accounts (a method employed primarily to avoid taxes). Now, you guys may say that these aren't good reasons, and I'd agree to an extent, but then again, they are good enough reasons "colloquially". What I mean by this is that these reasons may not fly in a court of law, but in a practical and everyday sense, they are perfectly fine.

This isn't even taking into account that the situation is different and time has passed and etc etc etc.

EDIT: There is zero reason to believe that Obama and Romney did not graduate from their colleges (or whatever the argument is for releasing Obama's transcripts.. I hadn't even heard of this calling until you guys brought it up.) Similarly, there is zero reason to believe Romney is a tax-cheat, or at least there wasn't UNTIL he himself has provided us with one - not releasing his tax returns.

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I never said it was a counterpoint.

I always said everything should be made available.

It's not a crime to get shitty grades, nor are good grades requisite of being elected. It's not a crime to write papers in support of communism, nor does being a communist disqualify you from office.

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Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.