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[03:25:09] [2] [82:Prasad]: Any tanks for heroics?
[03:25:23] [2] [85:Aestu]: how much are you paying for a tank?
[03:25:38] [2] [82:Prasad]: not paying, just seeing if any tanks are doing heroics
[03:25:51] [2] [85:Aestu]: why would a tank forfeit a satchel to bring you?
[03:26:11] [2] [82:Prasad]: you dont get a satchel if you queue with somoene?
[03:27:35] [2] [85:Aestu]: correct Prasad
[03:27:41] [2] [85:Aestu]: and the satchel is worth about 100-200g
[03:27:54] [W From] [82:Prasad]: what is in the satchel, a boe blue as usual?
[03:28:00] [W To] [82:Prasad]: no
[03:28:02] [W To] [82:Prasad]: its different
[03:28:07] [W From] [82:Prasad]: sounds like a stupid part on blizzard
[03:28:23] [W To] [82:Prasad]: the CTA satchel is usually about 50-100g and sometimes flasks, potions, a mount or rare pets
[03:28:31] [W To] [82:Prasad]: well
[03:28:34] [W To] [82:Prasad]: that brings us back to the question
[03:28:38] [W To] [82:Prasad]: why should a tank queue with you?
[03:28:47] [W To] [82:Prasad]: what do you bring to the table?
[03:29:04] [W From] [82:Prasad]: what my role provides i suppose
[03:29:12] [W To] [82:Prasad]: which is what
[03:29:24] [W From] [82:Prasad]: damage, cc, food, portals, etc
[03:29:30] [W To] [82:Prasad]: your damage probably sucks
[03:29:37] [W To] [82:Prasad]: tanks usually outdps dps because tanks are more skilled
[03:29:46] [W From] [82:Prasad]: lol..
[03:29:48] [W To] [82:Prasad]: dont need cc and most dps are too dumb to do it anyway
[03:29:54] [W To] [82:Prasad]: dont need food or portals
[03:30:01] [W To] [82:Prasad]: just like that
[03:30:10] [W To] [82:Prasad]: tanking requires responsibility and takes more skill to do passably well
[03:30:19] [W To] [82:Prasad]: so if a tank is to tank an instance for you, they need an incentive to do it
[03:30:25] [W From] [82:Prasad]: tanks are usually more skilled, but that doesnt say anything about me when you put it into "statsitical" terms
[03:30:26] [W To] [82:Prasad]: blizzard provides that incentive because you wont
[03:30:34] [W To] [82:Prasad]: it definitely does
[03:30:42] [W To] [82:Prasad]: neither I nor anyone else has any reason to believe you're special
[03:30:54] [W From] [82:Prasad]: the game should not promote that
[03:30:59] [W To] [82:Prasad]: promote what?
[03:31:20] [W From] [82:Prasad]: "i dont think many dps are skilled, so you should reward me for doing something i already want to do"
[03:31:27] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you dont get it
[03:31:29] [W To] tanks
[03:31:32] [W To] [82:Prasad]: DONT
[03:31:35] [W To] [82:Prasad]: want to do it
[03:31:41] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats why the incentive system was introduced
[03:31:46] [W From] [82:Prasad]: then dont tank.. it separates the good ones from the bad
[03:31:46] [W To] [82:Prasad]: dps bitched about horrifically long queue times
[03:31:53] [W To] [82:Prasad]: as a result I often queue just for satchels
[03:32:08] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and its not merely my opinion or anyone else's that dps are not as skilled on average as tanks its an objective fact
[03:32:13] [W From] [82:Prasad]: additionally, my original message to you abuot how it was a bad part on blizzard is NOT that the satchel is a bad idea
[03:32:13] [W To] [82:Prasad]: dont tank okay
[03:32:17] [W To] [82:Prasad]: then your queue times go way up
[03:32:22] [W To] [82:Prasad]: because fewer tanks are in the queue
[03:32:25] [W To] [82:Prasad]: how does that sound to you?
[03:32:26] [W From] [82:Prasad]: its a bad idea that they dont allow you to get it if you queue with people before hand
[03:32:38] [W To] [82:Prasad]: that I'd probably agree with
[03:32:44] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i personally love to tank
[03:32:51] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I doubt that
[03:32:55] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i tanked all through wotlk exclusively, took a year long break and now im back and eveyrthings different
[03:33:09] [W To] [82:Prasad]: tanking in wotlk was piss easy
[03:33:17] [W From] [82:Prasad]: it seems much easier now
[03:33:22] [W To] [82:Prasad]: yes and no
[03:33:28] [W To] [82:Prasad]: its less rewarding I'd say
[03:33:34] [W From] [82:Prasad]: seems so
[03:33:41] [W To] [82:Prasad]: the community in large part
[03:33:42] [W From] [82:Prasad]: so far i havent seen anything that is difficult
[03:33:44] [W To] [82:Prasad]: makes it less reqwarding
[03:33:51] [W To] [82:Prasad]: carrying terribad dps makes it difficult
[03:33:51] [W From] [82:Prasad]: especially with raid finder..
[03:34:02] [W To] [82:Prasad]: it becomes difficult when you are doing 55% of the group's damage and 30% of its healing every damn run
[03:34:16] [W To] [82:Prasad]: when the rest of the group is deafmute and always conspires against the tank
[03:34:36] [W From] [82:Prasad]: sometimes i get outdps'd by tanks, but typically they are in 390+ epics and i am at 375. that is my fault, im not asking for hand outs
[03:34:43] [W To] [82:Prasad]: yeah you are
[03:34:44] [W To] [82:Prasad]: lol
[03:34:46] [W From] [82:Prasad]: but i dont get outdps'd by equal geared people
[03:34:49] [W To] [82:Prasad]: right now you're in trade
[03:34:51] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I doubt that
[03:35:03] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I'm pretty sure I could tank in blues and still beat you
[03:35:15] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and I believe that in part because
[03:35:15] [W From] [82:Prasad]: how old are you?
[03:35:18] [W To] [82:Prasad]: the margin you're describing
[03:35:20] [W To] [82:Prasad]: in gear
[03:35:26] [W To] [82:Prasad]: is not enough to justify a tank beating a dps
[03:35:34] [W To] [82:Prasad]: dps should be on top unless they're in blues period
[03:35:39] [W To] [82:Prasad]: what is the relevance of that question
[03:35:52] [W From] [82:Prasad]: because you just sound angry
[03:36:11] [W To] [82:Prasad]: how does my age have any bearing on my being angry or your perception thereof
[03:36:23] [W From] [82:Prasad]: sorry, its not that you sound angry
[03:36:32] [2] [82:Grandle]: LF somebody to help me get bronze drake
[03:36:37] [W From] [82:Prasad]: you just sound unreasonable and that is usually (not always) tied with teens
[03:36:42] [2] [85:Aestu]: how much are you paying for the help, Grandle?
[03:36:49] [W To] [82:Prasad]: how am I being unreasonable
[03:36:52] [2] [82:Grandle]: I just hit 85, idk if i can
[03:37:14] [W From] [82:Prasad]: the way you are judging everything
[03:37:16] [2] [82:Grandle]: shit your all bored mothafuckas in trade doing nothin, come help me out and not be bored anymore
[03:37:25] [W To] [82:Prasad]: everyone judges everything
[03:37:27] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats life
[03:37:30] [W From] [82:Prasad]: my words have no validity to you because i am a random mage
[03:37:35] [W To] [82:Prasad]: if you dont realize that you're the immature one
[03:37:37] [W To] [82:Prasad]: that too is part of life
[03:37:39] [2] [Rynzler]: this is America we don't do handouts
[03:37:44] [W From] [82:Prasad]: judging is one thing, but dismissing everyone elses statements is another
[03:37:46] [W To] [82:Prasad]: the words of a random person dont have much credibility
[03:37:50] [2] [82:Grandle]: this server shares other countries
[03:37:51] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I'm not dismissing everyone
[03:37:53] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I'm dismissing you
[03:37:57] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i dont think either of us are being immature
[03:37:58] [W To] [82:Prasad]: because you dont give me much reason not to
[03:38:05] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you just said you thought I was
[03:38:07] [2] [82:Grandle]: and last time i checked, the gonvernment is run on handouts lol
[03:38:09] [2] [Rynzler]: well this is an American game - none of that commy shit
[03:38:12] [W From] [82:Prasad]: no i didnt
[03:38:20] [W To] [82:Prasad]: [03:36:37] [W From] [82:Prasad]: you just sound unreasonable and that is usually (not always) tied with teens
[03:38:39] [2] [82:Grandle]: MURKAH. come help me get the drake somebody
[03:38:50] [W To] [82:Prasad]: bottom line is
[03:38:52] [W To] [82:Prasad]: everyone judges
[03:38:53] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats life
[03:38:56] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and theres nothing wrong with that
[03:39:02] [W To] [82:Prasad]: if we didnt judge we couldnt make sense of life
[03:39:09] [W From] [82:Prasad]: no, i agree
[03:39:13] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you cant gauge value or worth or merit or good or bad or anything if you dont judge
[03:39:14] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i have this talk with my wife all the time
[03:39:17] [W To] [82:Prasad]: the question is to judge correctly
[03:39:20] [W To] [82:Prasad]: your wife. w/e
[03:39:27] [2] [Trackershot]: while we are getting poor china is the one getting rich
[03:39:27] [W From] [82:Prasad]: huh?
[03:39:37] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I dont go for namedropping
[03:39:44] [2] [85:Kabooms]: yay china
[03:39:46] [W To] [82:Prasad]: or allusions thereof
[03:39:58] [W From] [82:Prasad]: im not sure what you are getting at
[03:40:10] [W To] [82:Prasad]: its highly probable you said htat just to make yourself look older/more mature
[03:40:17] [W To] [82:Prasad]: by way of implying you have a wife
[03:40:21] [W From] [82:Prasad]: are you kidding?
[03:40:27] [W To] [82:Prasad]: no, I'm not, but anyway
[03:40:31] [W From] [82:Prasad]: .....
[03:41:01] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and likewise its a fact of life that an opinion doesnt have much value to others unless its backed up by some sort of knowledge authority or prestige
[03:41:26] [W From] [82:Prasad]: by that value, everything is wrong unless you see it
[03:41:28] [W To] [82:Prasad]: the opinion of a random person has no value until it is given some - that is life and not unfair, if it didnt work that way we couldnt have informed opinions as opposed to ignorant ones
[03:41:32] [W To] [82:Prasad]: uh
[03:41:32] [W To] [82:Prasad]: yeah
[03:41:36] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats a basic rule of logic
[03:41:36] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i will always be a terrible dps unless you queue with me in a random and see me do well
[03:41:43] [W To] [82:Prasad]: burden of proof lays with party making positive contention
[03:41:47] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats correct
[03:41:49] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and thats not unfair
[03:41:55] [W From] [82:Prasad]: that type of thinking gets you no where
[03:42:01] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats basic logic dude
[03:42:05] [2] [35:Fungisface]: thats because ur gay
[03:42:07] [W To] [82:Prasad]: its one of the most basic rules of logic
[03:42:15] [W To] [82:Prasad]: burden of proof is on party making positive contention
[03:42:18] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and its also a rule of life
[03:42:27] [W From] [82:Prasad]: if you think like a robot, sure
[03:42:36] [W To] [82:Prasad]: no one's going to believe you're awesome unless you prove it to them and the cost/burden/initiative of doing so is on you
[03:42:38] [W From] [82:Prasad]: if you want to min/max everything with low risk low gain, yes
[03:42:39] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats fking life man
[03:42:46] [W To] [82:Prasad]: the point of this game is to min max
[03:42:49] [W To] [82:Prasad]: especially for tanks
[03:42:52] [W From] [82:Prasad]: maybe some peoples' life
[03:42:53] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats true of life too
[03:42:54] [W From] [82:Prasad]: but not "life"
[03:43:00] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats why you buy insurance dude
[03:43:09] [W To] [82:Prasad]: to reduce risk at the cost of nominal gain
[03:43:10] [W From] [82:Prasad]: im not talking about min max stats or rotation
[03:43:19] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats the point of getting gear etc
[03:43:23] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i mean you will miss out on a lot of good dps if you dont take any that youve never heard of
[03:43:25] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats the point of gearing itemization etc
[03:43:35] [W To] [82:Prasad]: good dps are not unheard of
[03:43:38] [W To] [82:Prasad]: again
[03:43:39] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats life
[03:43:44] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you gotta make a name for yourself
[03:43:50] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats your business not anyone elses
[03:44:01] [W To] [82:Prasad]: other people have lives, they got their own shit. everyone. thats not strange or unfair.
[03:44:06] [W From] [82:Prasad]: clearly we disagree with each other on this topic and even more clearly, we arent going to be doing a heroic together which is all i have time before bed
[03:44:20] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i enjoyed our chat and i wish you luck
[03:44:21] [W To] [82:Prasad]: your head is on backwards
[03:44:33] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you're being pompous
[03:44:38] [W From] [82:Prasad]: no im not..
[03:44:44] [W From] [82:Prasad]: you are taking my words for saracasm i assume
[03:45:01] [W To] [82:Prasad]: your false civility is very transparent. again let me explain life to you. civility isnt saying stereotyped civil phrases, its being considerate of others...which you are not
[03:45:07] [W From] [82:Prasad]: if you would think id lie about being married to try to gain sway in a conversation, then i wouldnt doubt you take my words for sarcasm
[03:45:16] [W From] [82:Prasad]: again..
[03:45:17] [W To] [82:Prasad]: your attitudes and opinions are those of a selfish person who doesnt think about other peoples time or lives
[03:45:19] [W From] [82:Prasad]: This is who i am.
[03:45:26] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I didnt think you were being sarcastic
[03:45:33] [W To] [82:Prasad]: I said you were being pompous
[03:45:34] [W From] [82:Prasad]: you are using your judgment far too harshly in such a short conversation
[03:45:39] [W To] [82:Prasad]: not at all
[03:45:44] [W To] [82:Prasad]: i'm going from what I see
[03:45:47] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and that too is life
[03:45:52] [W From] [82:Prasad]: i would go to lengths to prove what i am and who i am but i know that ultimately it means nothing to you
[03:45:54] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you are to others how you present themselves
[03:46:02] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you're right, it doesnt. should it?
[03:46:07] [W To] [82:Prasad]: its your problem
[03:46:13] [W To] [82:Prasad]: thats why people try to present themselves well
[03:46:41] [W To] [82:Prasad]: talking about you, what you want, you this, you that, how others should give you a chance, tank an instance for you, you dont want to continue because of you
[03:46:46] [W To] [82:Prasad]: that comes off as selfish
[03:46:57] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you want friends, tanks to tank for you, a rep, etc
[03:47:02] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you go get that for yourself
[03:47:04] [W To] [82:Prasad]: example
[03:47:06] [W To] [82:Prasad]: join pugs
[03:47:12] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and perform well
[03:47:15] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and be outspoken
[03:47:18] [W To] [82:Prasad]: you'll get noticed
[03:47:30] [W To] [82:Prasad]: tanks love doing favors for loyal and skilled dps...but the burden is on you to prove yourself
[03:47:59] [W To] [82:Prasad]: everyones got their own lives and are busy with their own agendas and advacing THEIR interests and arent going to take a chunk of their time to do those things for you...you do them on your own time
[03:48:19] [W To] [82:Prasad]: but the bottom line is you're not gonna do that. instead you're going to keep waiting for your gravy train to arrive, for a handout, whatever.
[03:48:41] [W From] [82:Prasad]: several people are explaining to me who you are
[03:48:43] [W To] [82:Prasad]: and thats a selfish and immature attitude, and frankly, I feel pretty sure you take that attitude into life as well
[03:48:59] [W To] [85:Prasad]: oh really. who is that? and who are they?
[03:49:01] [W From] [85:Prasad]: so all of this coming from you is going unwanted, espcially after you DENY believing facts about me
[03:49:05] [W To] [85:Prasad]: winners I'm guessing? or whiny losers like you?
[03:49:15] [W To] [85:Prasad]: somethings not a fact because you say it is
[03:49:16] Prasad is ignoring you.
