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While I agree that electoral reform would be nice, I don't follow this "I'm not voting because the system is broken" stuff. I'd like to have a say. You can contend all you want that it's a bad choice between two evils, but the truth of it is, one candidate is always far stronger for whichever walk of life you currently inhabit than the other.

For example, I vote democrat because I think the public good is beneficial and worth saving, because I'm not in the $250000 tax bracket, because I'm pro-choice and anti-religion, because I'm a pacifist, and because I'm a decent human being. Is there a minor party somewhere out there that's more in line with those views than the Democratic party? Sure. Do they have a candidate running for president? Nope.

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I'm torn between voting or not.

on the one hand, I hate both candidates that actually have a shot at winning, and on the other, I hate people who don't vote and then bitch about the candidate, which in this case I'm sure I'll be doing no matter who wins.

Obama took no position on SOPA, has done nothing about the steady enroachment of the corporate state and secret police on daily life, supported the feminist "Sue Everybody" bill, continues to promulgate the myth of the so-called "recovery", hasn't actually gotten us out of Iraq but has instead relied on media control to remove the conflict from the public eye, and has gotten us involved in a largely secret war in Africa.

Few presidents can claim to have had less vision (for good or bad) or to have more personified utter political gridlock. There is no compelling reason to vote for Obama; at best he offers to take us the same place as Romney, just a bit more slowly and less obviously.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I don't think President Obama is a horrible, evil, no-good, very bad person because he has some ideas with which I strongly disagree, but sadly a lot of what I've seen spread around the internet is that "Obama/Romney is a horrible, evil, no-good, very bad person because he's not my guy. We've come to a bad place, people."

I will be voting (grudgingly) for Romney. I'm never going to get a candidate for any office that will back 100% of what I want, but this time around Romney comes closer than Obama.

Also, McCain lost because he shouldn't have won the nomination in the first place (thank the caucus system for that, WV gave him the nomination when it should have gone to a better candidate) since most of the people in his party didn't want him after he pissed on them for 8 years out of spite for them not having nominated him instead of Bush. Republicans didn't want him, got stuck with him, and didn't turn out to vote for him in the general election. There was also that whole "historical candidacy" thing working against him.

Republicans probably would have liked someone other than Romney, but they're not as antagonistic toward him as they were McCain, and the majority of them are extremely pleased with the VP pick. So this election is going to be a lot closer than the last one, especially now that the shine has worn off President Obama.

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Ouch. Just because my father has money doesn't mean that I am devoid of critical thinking. My father grew up poor and the youngest of 15 children. He worked his ass off to get where he is. He made sure that we knew how "the other half" lived and I have spent considerable time working in soup kitchens and single occupancy hotels. Just because I disagree with the extent and scope of social programs doesn't mean I think they shouldn't exist at all.

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And you didn't.

Pointing this out as if it's somehow relevant to you firmly establishes that you are, in fact, an entitled daddy's girl.



And how is that? What does that mean to you?



To whatever extent this is true, the last time you made this allegation, you did so in the context of expressing your shallow and unequivocal disdain and lack of compassion for people in that situation.


Ok. So how do you think they should work? How do you define fiscal conservatism in this context?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

you got to go home when you were done experiencing how "the other half" lived. there is nothing quite like truly being there. it is not your fault for not understanding that, and i would never hold it against you because it's not something you could control.



this was my home for 3 years. the picture is from after it came under new ownership and was gutted inside and out. before that, my perverted, abusive grandfather owned it and it was 1000x more of a dump than it looks now. we were allowed to live there as long as i did all the housekeeping duties (i was 10) and my mom ran the office. he ran it more like an SRO than a legitimate hotel.

once in a while, he would take us to the buffet across the street. we sold foodstamps for cash if we badly needed something (back when they looked like booklets of monopoly money) and ate mostly non-perishables because we had only a minifridge and no freezer.

not to sound ridiculous, but one of the main reasons i loved Harry Potter was because he lived in a closet. my bedroom was the walk in closet in our room, which consisted of only a cot. because really what else fits in a fucking closet?

i have worked really hard to get where i am now and struggled the whole way. i doubt i will ever be considered "rich". at this point, im not even sure i will ever be "doing okay".

besides all that, i am not sure who i am voting for. social policy is really important to me, and i won't vote for someone who wants to take the rights of people away based on their own personal beliefs. i do wonder if the reason obama hasn't done much of what he said he would during his term is because he was saving the more controversial stuff until his second term. don't really want to stir the pot when you've got reelection coming up.

also, if they are talking about cutting education, they can count my vote out. i am already going to have to miraculously pay out of pocket for my last semester of school because they cut pell grants to 12 semesters maximum instead of 18. any more and i will be a waitress for the rest of my life.

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The fuck? Barack Obama can hardly be called a pacifist or anti-religion. He doesn't let his religious beliefs dictate his policies to the excessive levels that conservatives do, I'll give him that. I don't think being staunchly anti-religion is helpful at all, provided elected officials can reasonably differentiate which issues of morality require legislative regulation and which are none of anybody's fucking business whatsoever.

The Democratic party has no interest in the public good. We've driven this point home pretty well to the point where it's beating a dead horse.

As far as pacifism, I really very much doubt that Romney would be any worse in terms of military engagements than Obama has been.


So if you must vote for a puppet, do so...but don't claim those are the reasons you're voting for him.

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I don't know what's going on so here's Bender.

I love knowing my vote actually matters.

I thought you lived on a large island -- nothing you guys can do matters.

Ahh, so we're more alike than i thought.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Isn't every policy that costs a buttload an effort to help those is need? Though mismanaged and perhaps a smidge wasteful, I don't see any policies on the other side that will help those people out. In fact, all I see is a bunch of cutting aimed squarely at those programs while taxes for the people who don't need them will be slashed. May I ask why this is an acceptable approach? This is the exact reason "fuck you, got mine" attitudes exist. Admittedly, I may become more and more conservative as I start to pay my own taxes and whatnot, but damn me to hell if I ever vote for a conservative for ANY other reason than to save MYSELF a few thousand dollars. I can actually see no other reason to do so, honestly.

Also, aren't you conservatives now falling for empty promises from Romney just as you accused us liberals of doing in 2008? The numbers don't add up according to that site. inb4 LIBERAL PROPAGANDA SITE.... owate.

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Social Security isn't about helping people, it's about just that, social security. The alternative is food riots and raider gangs.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.