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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:06 pm  
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That's the most frustrating part, that it's such an obvious way to deal with the issue while still allowing us to get an education in fields that need educated workers. And that they just don't seem to see it.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
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It's obvious, but you won't get it past the special interest groups and dickhead politicians.

Term Limits please.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:32 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
It's obvious, but you won't get it past the special interest groups and dickhead politicians. Term Limits please.


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That's the most frustrating part, that it's such an obvious way to deal with the issue while still allowing us to get an education in fields that need educated workers. And that they just don't seem to see it.


1. Scientific education is hard and therefore unpopular with parents, students, and administrators.
2. Scientific education is technical and exclusive and therefore cannot attract a strong, politically motivated administrative constituency to advocate for it.
3. Scientific education affords graduates unparalleled mobility, and therefore people who have scientific education are hard to control and shake down for loan money after graduation.
4. Scientific education deals in tangibles and therefore scientific degrees cannot be printed like toilet paper, frustrating administrators and lenders.
5. Whites, Asians, Indians and men perform significantly better at math and science than blacks and women, and therefore the field is hugely unpopular in today's educational environment. To the extent that this is mutable through long-term, bottom-up efforts in primary and secondary education, short-sighted, basically lazy left-wing educators who overcompensate for their sexism and racism through PC prefer to "equalize outcomes" rather than work hard to fix the underlying causes.

The TLDR is that educational institutions prefer to take the Wal-Mart approach of marketing moon pies to the lowest common denominator rather than making a product that is worthwhile and risk pissing some constituency off or rocking the boat or telling people they can't have it all.

This is an attitude that pervades American society and corporate culture and I believe it ultimately comes back to currency valuation and how it allows institutions and individuals to ignore the fact that their policies fail at creating value. The net result is a society that seems to be nothing but a mass of rackets, and anyone actually interested in creating value finds themselves up against entrenched interests desirous to keep things just the way they are.

At least that's my interpretation.

PS: It's worth pointing out many of these same issues afflict Classical Studies and Accounting, because although they are not scientific fields, they deal in tangibles to a far, far greater extent than closely related fields such as Literature and Business Administration - this is why graduates with the latter two majors have skyrocketed while the former two have stagnated. I would say that is QED.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:09 pm  
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Just got around to watching Obama's speech. There's no way in hell I will vote for anyone else. Unless, of course, 75% of my intelligence and common sense suddenly turns to poo.

Rush Limbaugh strikes me as someone with the ability to do that...

scary.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
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That's probably because Rush Limbaugh is, despite his reputation, entertaining and charismatic, while President Obama has all the personality and charm of Mitt Romney.

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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
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Jubbergun wrote:
That's probably because Rush Limbaugh is, despite his reputation, entertaining and charismatic, while President Obama has all the personality and charm of Mitt Romney.


Actually, I agree with this. And I do agree that Obama is a poor leader, lacking the personal strength of cold fish and douchebags like Nixon and Gore. But I also say that Limbaugh's wit and charisma are shallow and demagogic and a poor measure of his worth.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:42 pm  
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I'll give Obama credit for refusing to meet Netanyahu. It would be easier to just nod his head at whatever he says, but he's willing to stick up for what's right, so much as is politically possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:36 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
I'll give Obama credit for refusing to meet Netanyahu. It would be easier to just nod his head at whatever he says, but he's willing to stick up for what's right, so much as is politically possible.


I do too. If anyone is going to get Israel wiped off the map, it's him.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
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Hey Eturnal:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -tax-plan/

What say you?


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:26 pm  
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inb4 liberal site
inb4 at least Romney is trying
inb4 what's Obama's plan
inb4 are you better off
inb4 don't like those facts
inb4 any other excuse you lot use to debunk an argument except for the argument itself and/or a valid counterpoint.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:19 pm  
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Oh look, when Romney finally gets into specifics about his plan, they turn out to be utter bullshit, what a shocker.

When I was leaving for work today I caught a little snippet on CNN how Romney's 12 million job pledge is basically impossible, the only exclusion being we go into World War 3.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:02 pm  
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What the plan actually means in practice (reading the 'overbalanced' analysis Azelma linked) is that Romney wants to make one last push to maintain the status quo on the backs of what little is left of the American middle class, the upper-middle class.

These people do most of the work that keeps the wheels turning these days - doctors, lawyers, engineers, small business owners, programmers and researchers; they are the impetus for most growth as they are the only segment of the country that is not either impoverished or wealthy beyond care. How they get by has the most significant ramifications for the rest of the country because they are the ones who keep money moving through most of the economy; they provide services that every citizen needs to get by (medical care, legal assistance, maintenance, etc), not the rich people who basically keep to themselves in their enclaves. If they are squeezed hard that will send shockwaves up and down the class pyramid like nothing else could. It will reduce their investment in education for their children, their spending on everything in the economy, and compel them to raise prices for skilled labor (prior list).

Ironically, this group explicitly includes Eturnal. Since his house is underwater and QE3 and higher interest rates will run the money at the same time his effective tax rate will go up, Romney's plans are pretty much a worst-case scenario for him and it's quite probable they'll result in him getting crushed.

Ironically. I guess that's the word.

With Romney's policies, ten years down the line the country will be in a very dangerous position, with the rich pretty much owning everything and the last of the middle class completely wiped out at the same time the Baby Boomers will retire in droves. No one can predict how that will turn out.


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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
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I'm not sure I like what Romney's proposing, but I don't like anything President Obama has done so far, and I probably won't like anything he's likely to do (unless he has a magical epiphany one morning and starts making some changes), and I have no interest in letting him make any more Supreme Court appointments. The best case scenario I could hope for with an Obama win would be a strong republican majority in congress that will hopefully give us a repeat of the Clinton years.

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 Post subject: Re: Democrat's National Convention
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I didn't like Obama when he still had to worry about re-election. I'm sure I won't like him more once he slips the reins.


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