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 Post subject: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:39 pm  
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http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-o ... shots.html


Seems pretty neat if you ask me. Every screenshot you take can (or has been) watermarked and identified.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:21 pm  
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Extremely interesting. Some lawyer should start a class action. I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made.

I'm now suddenly curious to try this same method with GW2 screenshots and see if anything comes up...


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:40 pm  
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Scary.

Though, to be honest, I've only taken screenshots of legendary weapons and topless blood elves. So I guess all I have to worry about is being outed?

Oh wate.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:50 pm  
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I wonder if the watermark remains if you put it in paint and copy it twice. I'd imagine so.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:22 am  
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The only thing this has any effect what so ever on is people playing on private servers and hackers/glitchers. The conspiracy theorist and corporate haters will claim invasion of privacy but as we all should know, Blizzard owns every bit of the information in WoW. Just get over it.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:49 am  
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Baneleaf wrote:
The only thing this has any effect what so ever on is people playing on private servers and hackers/glitchers. The conspiracy theorist and corporate haters will claim invasion of privacy but as we all should know, Blizzard owns every bit of the information in WoW. Just get over it.


Yes, they own every bit of information in WoW. That's the point. This isn't in WoW. The thread included a pretty good analysis of the legal issues. Blizzard's exclusive right to what is in WoW doesn't give them the right to embed personal information on materials outside the game to be freely distributed without the players' knowledge or consent. Hence why this could be a really good class-action lawsuit.

Why would it affect private servers? Presumably they use an older version of the client, no - one that doesn't include the watermarking? And now that private servers know it is there, a patch has already been introduced to disable the functionality. And hackers/glitchers usually don't post their screenshots.

It's Orwellianism plain and simple. Typical corporate America obsessive, power-tripping compulsion to know and control everything, no matter how self-defeating or how much more effective a bit of competence would be towards the putative goal of making money.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:05 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Extremely interesting. Some lawyer should start a class action. I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made.

I'm now suddenly curious to try this same method with GW2 screenshots and see if anything comes up...


There's probably an arbitration clause in the EULA.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:16 pm  
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And it's probably unenforceable considering the acts in question are illegal and outside the permissions afforded by the EULA.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:26 pm  
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Probably. But it means you have to assert contractual claims in the suit on top of everything else you're setting out to prove.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:16 pm  
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you were in the game client, and took a screenshot using the blizzard screenshot tool. blizzard owns the image. they can do whatever they want with it. as the article stated, the binary information contained is blizzard's account name (which you pay to use), the IP information of the server, and the time and date. out of those three, the only one that is on shaky legal ground might be the time and date. the rest is blizzard's property.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:29 pm  
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Dotzilla wrote:
you were in the game client, and took a screenshot using the blizzard screenshot tool. blizzard owns the image.they can do whatever they want with it. as the article stated, the binary information contained is blizzard's account name (which you pay to use), the IP information of the server, and the time and date. out of those three, the only one that is on shaky legal ground might be the time and date. the rest is blizzard's property.


Under American law, maybe, maybe not.
Under EU law? Definitely not. In the EU, each individual disclosure of information has to be authorized.

Thank god we have the US Army defending our freedoms and way of life from Orwellianism. Right? Right???

But under American law...no "personally identifiable information" can be recorded/distributed without express permission. So is this information personally identifiable? Well, that takes us into the world of Catch-22:

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Blizzard: Yo, this guy's running a private server. We want to stop that.
Feds: How do you know it's him?
Blizzard: We have this screenshot...
Feds: So, what you're saying is, that screenshot contains personally identifiable information you harvested without his knowledge...
Blizzard: Um...


Beautiful, isn't it? The question is, then, whether a court would accept that argument in the abstract: whether the standard for "personally identifiable" is anything that can potentially personally identify someone, rather than the information itself.

Since SSNs and DMV IDs are the property of the government, and that information is considered "personally identifiable", it would seem to me that account names would be similarly regarded.

Then again a court might be obtuse and not agree. But thank god we have the US Army to fight about it. Right?


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:58 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
But under American law...no "personally identifiable information" can be recorded/distributed without express permission. So is this information personally identifiable?

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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:41 pm  
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Enforcing something against the law doesn't work very well.


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:33 am  
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i don't understand what people are upset about. that your blizzard account information is contained secretly in a picture of blizzard property created by a blizzard tool within the confines of a game owned by blizzard?


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 Post subject: Re: All your info are belong to us
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:44 am  
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Same reason as Britain with their cameras.
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And then there is stupid stuff like this.

Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean you should not care in every circumstance.


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