Azelma wrote:
Eturnalshift wrote:
/yawn
Still didn't respond to the other link I posted. I guess you don't like arguing with facts? I legitimately want to hear your rebuttals...give me statistics...show me why I'm wrong. Your refusal leads me to believe you can't do it. So....I guess you just want to put your fingers in your ears and believe Mitt is the answer and Obama is the devil?
The lack of response comes from a few different things.
1) I didn't see the initial question being asked.
2) Nothing I could say would make a difference.
3) I didn't know if I have time to type a long-winded response, which, as I say in point two, will just fall on deaf ears.
4) I wasn't interested in giving a laundry list of line items which can be quoted and discussed, at length, in a thread, which will run in 15 different directions. Believe it or not, I, of all people, do get tired of it.
Bus since you've asked a couple times...
Let's pretend we have two toilets. In the first toilet, we've lifted the lid countless times and seen a turd just kinda floating there. Every single time we lift the lid, the turd is there. That isn't changing and the water just get's more disgusting the longer that turd stays in the toilet. The second toilet has a closed lid. Is there a turd? Isn't there? Is the water the cleanest ever? Who knows!?
If I want a 100% chance of getting a toilet with shit in it, I'd pick the first toilet.
If I don't want a shitty toilet, I'd pick the second... at least there's a chance the turd might not be there.
My concern going into this election is purely the economy. Obama's performance on this issue hasn't been that great.
* America's credit rating has been downgraded twice -- first times in our history.
* Our growth has been slow
* Our debt load is the highest it's been since WWII, exceeding 100% of our GDP
* Each year Obama has been in office, he's had an annual deficit of about 1.3 trillion
* Obama promised that we wouldn't see an unemployment rate over 8% if we passed the stimulus package; we haven't seen an unemployment rate
under 8% in the last forty-something months.
* Obama hasn't seen very good job growth and, in several months, we've seen more people drop out of the labor market than jobs were created... this is partly why the unemployment rate is going down because the pool if people looking for work is shrinking.
* Obama sold ObamaCare as being solvent, but then we found out the ten year cost could be 0.9T... and then 1.3T... and every revision the CBO makes, that number keeps going up. Mind you, ObamaCare was meant to insure the uninsured (which was 60M Americans) and reduce costs, but ObamaCare only insures half that, and the cost of care is still going to rise. Missed the mark on target population. Missed the mark on cost.
* Obama pushed for the auto bailouts. GM, for example, is being touted as a great success! GM paid back its debt to the government... but, the government, in part of the bailout, bought a substantial number of shares as an injection of funds into the company. So far, the tax payers have lost 14.5 billion on that bailout, considering the government is considering selling the stock before the price drops lower.
* Obama had the embarrassing debt ceiling fiasco. There should be collision with the debt ceiling this December.
* We've had two periods of quantitative easing, and are currently in a third open-ended period, that will print an additional 40B in new money every month, until the economy "get's better" -- even though the first two periods weren't enough. (A criticism of failed policy being repeated because they're out of ideas, which are only going to hurt middle-america as the cost of the dollar devalues.)
* 1/6 Americans are in 'poverty'
I'm sure that's not all the economic and financial gripes that I have, and that's not even touching on foreign policy issues, hypocrisy in his statements or broken promises (that he made and didn't keep) that I don't like. I think he's been a largely ineffectual President and a poor leader, incapable of getting anything done before the Republicans took control of the House and had their gains in the Senate. I'm sure the President is a smart man, but I'm not sure he's smart enough for a second term as President. Pretty speeches and a 'cool' demeanor isn't enough to win my vote, and neither are his few successes (which have been shadowed by his failures).
So, I'm going to take my chance with Romney even if some people don't think his plan will work. Obama's plan didn't work and some people said it would be the best thing ever. His current plan isn't different from his last plan, so what does that tell you? "We need more time," is what we keep hearing. At worst, we trade one bad plan for another. At best, we get some policy which encourages positive economic change. Personally, I admire Romney's business history. I think he made a wise move going with Ryan, as I think Ryan is a highly intelligent man when it comes to budgets and economic understanding. I agree with them -- we need to reform Medicaid, rather than continuing to funnel money into a program which is nowhere near solvency. I think lowering taxes across the board is better than raising taxes on anyone during a recession. If removing loopholes and deductions increases a tax burden on Americans, then I'm fine with that,
if it's going to help create some fiscal solvency. Ryan said several times that the tax reform and loopholes are to be discussed and debated in congress... and I think that's acceptable answer.
I've got some stuff to take care of.
PS: Don't make me spill your secret, Fanta.
