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What you wrote did actually make me very angry.



If you actually believe this, you are a fool. And if you don't, then you're just butthurt.



I keep every document and email that enters my possession. I have papers that go as far back as third grade, and I have over ten thousand emails in an archive.



You don't know that and have no reason to believe that.



This is a very cute way of saying that you have never actually had it so hard, and can't fathom that anyone might.



If I abused anything, I would have gotten more out of it.



You conveniently ignore that many of the characters in that story besides me felt that I had done nothing wrong.

What you really mean is exactly what I said which is that lazy adults prefer to push the kid off the boat because it's easier than doing the right thing.



I am not a whimsically vindictive person, and anyone who knows me knows this. I have a long history of quarrels but I never lose sight of the difference between being at odds and being done wrong.



Probably not.



This is a very cute way of you saying you were lucky and never faced anything more than the illusion of adversity.



For all the bitching about women bashing, you are remarkably fast to see things through the prism of gender and instantly assume any woman is a sex object.

Anyway, this is a pretty absurd thing to say. Why am I not hostile to Kay or even Zaryi on this basis? Surely they're closer to my own preference. Without getting into specifics it is clear that Callysta isn't my type in any sense and doesn't have the things that are important to me.

It's nonsense...to even say something so absurd proves you're just reaching for any bat in arm's reach.



Not what I said. But those would all be valid criticisms. And you're a pussy for being unwilling to deal with realities more complex than you'd prefer.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

No it won't. And really I said all that needed to be said.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'll be honest, I was trying to post all those gifs in the other thread before it was locked

NECRA YOU BASTARD!

Pot meet kettle.



Proves nothing, even if it is true.



I only know my experience on these forums with you. My experience gives me every reason to believe you are unnecessarily confrontational, as Nechra pointed out in his thread. I have no reason to believe this asshattery is anything new.



I never said I had it hard. I had it normal. What I said was that I believe you stirred shit, like you do on here, then didn't like the way your protectors tried to clean it up. This was likely because they realized you started it most of the time.



Those are the same kinds of chumps you belittle for falling for Callysta's "lies".



Yet you dream of revenge against these tormentors you claim to have endured who were children when they allegedly were mean to you and not people who deserve retribution that would make you worse than they were since you are an adult. I'm not condoning bullying, but I'm advocating growing up.



This is you trying to rally Zaryi and Kay to your cause even though everyone here knows you've been a complete ass to both of them, at times. Your uncalled for attacks on Callysta are over the top and childish in the extreme.



I never said I had it anything other than normal. I'm not the one writing/posting homemade dissertations about my wreck of a childhood trying to garner pity and make yet another thread about how tough I had/have it. That would be you, and it's getting tiresome in the extreme.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

If it makes you feel better, I won't lock this one. I just didn't want this pissing contest in my thread.

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What the hell do you mean? Am I lying or aren't I? Any facts that contradict your bias are instantly wrong, if not for one reason than some other?



You - is this confrontation necessary?



You don't know that. And even if it were true there is absolutely nothing I could possibly do to justify having rocks thrown at me or having the brakes on my bike cut.



So are they "lies" or aren't they? Again it looks like you're just reaching for any bat in arm's reach.



I haven't allowed my desire for revenge to stymie my progress. I've never stopped looking forward.

What does "growing up" mean in this context? Does it mean accepting a less-than-perfect reality, or squinting until every sky looks blue?



Neither of them would be moved by the implication I might find some of their qualities endearing, because they don't see me that way. It's simply a relevant example.



Maybe. Valid point is valid, though. She's certainly not what I want and to so argue is silly.



Normal according to what frame of reference?

Really I would say that most individuals from your background (middle-class Baby Boomer) had it enviably good. If nothing else, society was generally more civil. I freely admit that I generally find talking to Baby Boomers about adversity a pretty useless experience because they have no frame of reference and therefore have unrealistic assumptions about how the world actually works.

And what does "normal" mean? By definition it means "not especially hard", no? Well, maybe some people don't have it "normal"...what does that prove?

Does it prove they're bad people or that maybe they just didn't have it so nice - that some of your assumptions don't stand up to a less fortunate reality?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Haha. You're obviously done here. I knew you'd run out of anything valid then resort to playing the "old" card, or sometimes with me you play the "South" or "Texas" cards. Your last statement was less insulting than ridiculously ignorant and comical.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

I didn't say you were old and you can't hold an argument I didn't make against me.

Part of being tough is being gracious.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

My beliefs:

Aestu was probably a dickass to people sometimes

The extent that he was a dickass still did not justify the response he received

I don't think Aestu is lying about anything as far as his own experiences go

Kids are shitty and that is an unchanging reality of life. The solution is neither 'let kids kick each others asses' nor is it 'omg poor kids, we must intervene to the point of excess because god forbid someone experience unpleasant feelings'

Boredalt grew up in a different time with different circumstances. It doesn't mean his experiences are invalid, it means its silly to try to compare the two scenarios

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Aestu, I think Boredalt was saying that your "baby boomers" argument amounts to a "you're old" argument.


Boredalt, I don't think that's Aestu's argument though. I think he's arguing that your status as a baby boomer puts you out of touch with the problems that our generation faced/faces. I don't necessarily believe that's true in all cases, or yours specifically...but that's his contention. This gets me thinking though....



Truthfully, baby boomers are very much a significant reason this country has become such a shit hole.

They lived in a time when, for the middle class (which was much larger %-wise back then), life was pretty darn easy. They lacked the discipline of the prior generation that had to suffer through world wars and the great depression. They cared only for themselves. Why did divorce rates skyrocket in that generation? Pure selfishness, plain and simple. They didn't have the commitment of their parents. They grew up care free...smoking dope...and thought life was just cool, man. They were the original hipsters. Let's talk about the world's problems and complain...while we benefit from the hard work of others. When shit got hard, baby boomers just gave up and blamed everyone else.

Many of the boomers lived/still live beyond their means. They bought homes they couldn't afford. They racked up credit card debt. They were generally shitty parents and blamed all of their children's problems on everyone but themselves. Why try to find the answers yourself and look in the mirror when you can have a doctor give little Billy some pills? It's much easier. And hey...health insurance will pay for it too!

They didn't worry about retirement...they thought social security would cover it....in fact, they thought they deserved it. They elected corrupt politicians who made decisions only focused on then and there....they passed the buck to our generation.

Now what are we left with?

Crippling debt, baby boomers who are mad they have to keep working and can't retire due to their own lack of financial planning, and to make matters worse...kids from our generation now get to start life out with debt (student loans) their parents never were forced to take on (since you could still get well paying jobs without a degree back then). Now I'm going to be working until I'm 75 or something....not because of my own lack of planning...but because I'm going to have to support all the lazy boomers who never decided to get their shit together.

Thanks for pursuing enlightenment baby boomers, thanks for fighting "the man" and protesting Vietnam....but you never grew up and accepted responsibility. You thought life would always be free and easy. Now our generation must pick up the pieces....I'm not sure we can.

It's maddening as fuck all to hear baby boomers oversimplify issues that are not static in nature. Times change, circumstances change, generally accepted truths change.

What worked back then for baby boomers = getting suspended now. That's if you're lucky. If not, have fun in the back of a police car at age 12.

It seems like baby boomers are incredibly dismissive of anyone growing up in today's world. To be fair, that works both ways.

I try to draw the distinction between writing off Boredalt's experiences as invalid vs understanding that the two circumstances are different.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Azelma - and React - understand my position. Thank you.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm trying to understand how you can say someone is unnecessarily confrontational (misguided machismo or courage) and then accuse him of being a pussy a few sentences later.

That's not just the backwards perception of a baby boomer, it's blatant self-contradiction.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Actually, I don't agree. Machismo and excessive aggression are often the product of lack of self-confidence.

That said, the pattern of behavior doesn't fit the facts. I wasn't overly confrontational in high school, I never started shit. I was pretty much who I've always been - I go and do as I please.

As I said, Rio Americano had brutal overcrowding (ty Prop 13), and there was a rock situated near the "cool kids spot" in the quad. No one ever sat on it, so I made a habit of doing so. People asked me what I was doing sitting on the rock. I said I was waiting for my egg to hatch.

Rio Americano got a lot of donations of old computers (lol tax writeoffs) and like most HSes they just threw them away, so my friends and I pulled them out of the garbage and sat there after school, like vultures over a carcass, tearing out the best parts (usually top-of-the-line 56k modems). A lot of people didn't like this.

My friends and I played Magic: The Gathering. Some stupid kids would come in and disrupt us, and I didn't stand for that.

In class, if I didn't agree with something that was said, or I felt I had a better way to do something, I would do it. It took me many years to appreciate the kind of intense fear and doubt that holds many people back...I have fears and doubts of my own but for the longest time I never appreciated how marginal they are compared to so many people. That bit of timidity that prevents most people from just thinking for themselves or doing things differently has no place in my psychology. Without vanity, I truly believe there is great value to that strength.

The very fact I biked to school set me apart. In a school of like 1500+ students, I was only one of about five at most that did so. In retrospect I feel there may have been some jealousy over me effortlessly speeding out of the gridlocked mess of the parking lot. Not that I ever got in anyone's way or rubbed it in anyone's face, just that it might have been infuriating to a lot of kids how my total disinterest in cars and wilingness to do my own thing meant I could blithely be free of their problems.

I liked pizza, so I ate the cafeteria pizza. Only ghetto kids and jocks were normally in the cafeteria. A family friend didn't dare go in there. I went in there because I liked pizza. To me this was only common sense.

At an athletic event I was compelled to go to, there was an open spot on a bench. I sat down. Someone told me that only sophomores could sit there. I sat there anyway. They tried to shove me up. I rooted myself. They eventually gave up.

Shit like that. Basically I was very intransigent and played by my own rules. All that behavior was just as profound in its sum as it is in WoW. The flip side of being persecuted was that I would walk through the quad and people would often just start cheering my name.

I don't feel I "hid under my mother's skirt". As I said, in Boredalt's time, society and authority figures put a cap on escalation whether he realizes it or not. None of that justifies throwing rocks or cutting brakes or being physically attacked.

I mean what would be the next stage in escalation? I bring a gun to school? Maybe... Then again maybe that's why people feel so desperately that guns have a place in our society? Because this line of thinking doesn't work unless escalation has no bounds?

If one wants to say that being individualistic necessarily requires paying the costs of that lifestyle choice, that's fine and well. I was always willing to pay those *reasonable* costs. The fact perhaps I should have carried myself, as a 15-year-old kid, with a bit more grace, doesn't mean I was in any way in the wrong or that anything that happened was my "fault" any more than someone making a rude gesture justifies someone else causing a pile-up.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.