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 Post subject: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:46 am  
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no one won, America loses?


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:56 am  
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Usdk wrote:
no one won, America loses?


Pretty much. I was watching it for a good while, but then started to get a headache so I decided to watch Anchorman with the gf.

A couple takeaways:

- The moderator was terrible and had no control over the thing...he let Obama/Romney run the debate.
- Romney impressed me by coming off as much more likeable than Obama in many instances. Obama seemed to be the doucheier of two douches at many points
- Anyone else notice Romney decided to go super centrist for this debate? We all know he won't be if elected...but it was interesting seeing a Republican trying to go middle of the road. Maybe the strategists have finally figured out that appealing to Bible-thumping conservative bigots in the south won't win you the election.
- I hate anecdotes "I talked to so and so in Ohio" or "I talked to this person" -- shut the fuck up, give me facts and statistics...anecdotal evidence is just fluff.
- I think Obama fucked up by not challenging Romney enough. Romney was able to construct his fanciful plan for how to fix the economy/country...but all Obama said was "the math doesn't add up" -- while it's true (unless you think the economy is going to grow the way romney says it will **circular logic alert**)...Obama needed to hit him harder. He should have owned him about the 47% stuff...he should have ripped on him over Bain.

Overall, I think Romney helped his campaign and Obama hurt his.

Still, America lost. I wish we didn't live in a fascist country that refuses to allow third party candidates to debate.

Politics have become such a dog and pony show, it makes me sick to my stomach.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:02 pm  
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It was miserable on both sides. Romney was far more engaged and interesting to watch, but like Obama he didn't say... Anything, and FactChecker has been ripping almost everything he did say apart as lies. Obama was passive and incredibly frustrating to watch, ad Leher was the worst moderator to any debate I've ever seen.

Hopefully the next one will be better.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:12 pm  
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I didn't even bother to watch it but I completely agree with Usd and Azelma.

Let's be honest. This whole democracy thing is one big charade.


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 Post subject: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:53 pm  
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Obama's strategy is, imo, to just be intentionally passive and let Romney contradict himself even more. Obama is banking on FactCheck and the blogosphere to call out Romney after the debates so he won't have to. Obama can now more or less take the high road without the gloves coming off.

I don't know if its the best strategy ever. I do know that undecideds and independents are by and large more likely to more thoroughly research the candidates and their platforms. Not necessarily always the case, but the way I see it, it's either going to come down to voting based on the most inconsequential and stupidest criteria (think 'omg Obama doesn't wear a flag pin') or by doing the research and FactChecking for themselves.

The stupid swing voters that change their mind 3 times and make their final decision on Election Day can't be won or reached anyway. They will make their decisions based on something absurd which is beyond the control of the candidates.

By playing it safe, Obama gave Romney an unrestricted opportunity to dig his own grave.

That's my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:59 pm  
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Extremely clever and insightful analysis.

Though I can't agree with you that any sensible person anywhere is going to actually choose between the two candidates. Which is really testament to what a farce this all is.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:32 pm  
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I agree with both of Aestu's posts.


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 Post subject: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:43 pm  
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I'm writing in Jill Stein.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:09 pm  
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The moderator was absolutely dreadful, I think even he knew that. Watched the debate but as most of you pointed out, not much was really being said. Romney was definitely on the aggressive side, Obama looked annoyed quite a bit.
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 Post subject: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:17 pm  
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We need electric shock collars for the candidates. Anyone registered to vote can shock them online for being douches that go off topic or use stupid anecdotes or making up their own facts. 50% majority within 10 seconds = 1 shock.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:27 pm  
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One could argue that the biggest lie of the night came in its final moments—from Obama, no less. "I think this was a terrific debate" serves as absolute proof that neither he nor Romney actually give a shit about effective discourse.

On the topic of anecdotes, though, did anyone else notice the massive differences between the two candidates' "examples" of Americans? Obama, I recall, mentioned a happy, airy Las Vegas woman who had asked him if he'd be able to helm the economic recovery; in contrast, Romney painted an almost Kafkaesque portrait of the United States—at one point, I was waiting for him to bring up "a ragged-looking young guttersnipe in the streets of Lansing, his face blackened by soot, who asked, 'Please, sir, can I have some more?'" For those who would actually take his ridiculous arm-grabbing-gypsy-woman stories seriously—and there are many who indeed would—it's certainly an effective tactic.

Obama may have had the facts on his side, but Romney, for once, had the passion, the emotional appeal. To paraphrase a colleague's tweet, the president was the thesis-defending tax law professor to Romney's investment advice infomercial host. And yet the latter was considered the victor. 'Murica.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:36 pm  
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Dagery wrote:
One could argue that the biggest lie of the night came in its final moments—from Obama, no less. "I think this was a terrific debate" serves as absolute proof that neither he nor Romney actually give a shit about effective discourse...

To paraphrase a colleague's tweet, the president was the thesis-defending tax law professor to Romney's investment advice infomercial host. And yet the latter was considered the victor. 'Murica.


This.

Honestly I think that this debate will be remembered as a watershed moment just like the JFK/Nixon debate. But vastly more so. This will be remembered as the debate where the American people officially checked out of the political system.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:39 pm  
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Jim Lehrer 2016!


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:46 pm  
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You ever seen a tax lawyer defend a thesis? You probably have, if you've ever watched Michelle Bachmann try to make a point.

Hiyoooooo.


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 Post subject: Re: so the debate
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:44 pm  
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It was very nice to see and hear the candidates without a media lens.


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