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That's a lot of words for nothing, especially when you admit that Romney was wrong and you're splitting hairs because you are physically unable to agree with Obama.

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You're right, I can't agree with the President. He can't even agree with himself.

America doesn't tolerate "acts of terror..."
Yep, It was extremists and terrorists who did this.
Just kidding, it was a protest gone wrong, by protesters.
Just kidding, I won't say if it's a terrorist attack.
Just kidding, it's all because of some outrage about a video and the US Government had nothing to do with this.
Just kidding, it's actually terrorism and I said it was all along.

Edit: Changed to accurately reflect the timeline.

So...Romney was stronger on the issues you agree with his opinions on? I feel like your opinion is biased.

My question is...why does this embassy shit even matter? I mean, really? Why is Romney trying to beat Obama up on it?
Does it matter to you?
Do you want to get into another war?
Do you want to increase the military budget?
Do you think our national security is at risk?


Your position hasn't changed. Romney has given nothing but mystical plans and flowery promises on how he'll turn the economy around, and you are eating it up because "well, it's not Obama -- his track record is shit. Anything other than that is better." Romney is a salesmen...you are letting Romney tell you what you want to hear, and you believe it, even though he has nothing to back it up.

Don't get me wrong, this is what Obama was doing back in 2008. The fact that you can't see these parallels is stunning. I'm telling you, if Romney wins this thing...he won't fix anything (though he will probably make me and others pay a lot less to the government)...then in 2016 you're going to find some excuse for Romney "oh, he didn't have enough time" or "oh the democrats fucked shit up for him" .... then if a democrat wins...he'll do so on promises to fix the economy....etc. etc.

DO YOU NOT SEE THIS ETURNAL? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

The second you start saying that someone who lol's at math and builds a campaign geared towards people who think it's alright to lol at math is actually someone we should take seriously is the second you lose 90% of your credibility.

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Are you going to tell me Obama was better on those issues? If so, how?


Yes, it matters. This isn't simple "a bump in the road," as the President said the day after the attack, and a month before he talked so wonderfully about Chris Stevens during last nights debate. This was a concentrated effort by some people to attack our embassy. They killed an Ambassador. That doesn't mean anything to you? Should acts like this go unpunished? Do you not care when the President is caught in a lie? I thought you cared when Bush did it... but, Bush was white, am I right? #whiteguiltatplay


One thing you liberals always screamed about is that, "Bush lied, thousands died!" The President of the United States is given a position of public trust. The President should be straight-forward and honest. If it's terrorists attacking our embassy, then fucking call it terrorism. It's not that hard, is it? Instead, the President, as usual, is too damn worried about the optics and the international community will view him rather than being honest, straight forward, and calling it what it is.


I don't think anyone wants another war... but, if I were president, I wouldn't hesitate to defend the country or our interests if needed. Why did you ask this? Who are we going to war with, anyways?


Nope. Neither does Romney, but I'm sure you glossed over that explanation.


Absolutely. Since 9/11/01, there have been dozens of terrorist attacks that have been stopped and made public. Who knows how many countless threats are still classified or never publicized. That's not even talking about the threats to our southern border, or how other countries will patrol submarines in our coastal waters without our knowledge. The world is a dangerous place and there are people who want to kill Americans for whatever reasons.


Um, yea... sorta. We know what Obama's plan is. It's the same plan he's had for the last four years. How is that working out? In my opinion, not very well. Growth on GDP and Jobs has been painfully slow. The cost of energy, goods and services has been increasing. There have been plenty of taxes put on the American public and there's more to come. With the increased burden of regulation and a down economy, companies are having a harder time trying to survive. Just remember that Obama said he knew how he was going to fix all our problems and, it turns out, he didn't.

Why not try someone else? If you're holding your hands in fire, and you realize it burns, it makes absolutely no sense to keep your hands in that position. I've read all 150 pages of Romney's economic plan. I think we need to have a new approach to kick-start job growth, which will turn get people off government programs and back to paying taxes. I like the idea of a balanced budget amendment. I like caps on federal spending. I think more states should be 'Right to Work' states. I think we should expand our energy policy. I like the idea of cutting the federal workforce. Will Romney's plan be a success? Who knows? But, like you said, it's not Obama's, and we know how that turned out. So, instead of saying, "HURHURHUR UR SO DUM FOR BUYING ROMNEY'S PLAN", ask yourself, "Why am I so stupid to stay with Obama, when his economic plan has been a failure." While you're at it, ask yourself what Obama's plan is for the next four years.


The only thing Obama could've messed up for Romney is the costs and effort with repealling ObamaCare. Besides that, Obama hasn't done anything! Romney would be taking over the economy in exactly the same spot Obama inherited in... well, except Romney would have way more debt to deal with, larger defecits, more people on government entitlement programs, a smaller work force and strained relationships with other countries. Ok, so Obama has made things worse.

Will Romney fix everything? Who knows, man. I hope so, I really do. There are a lot of people who aren't as fortunate as you and I are, and they're struggling. This President hasn't done much to improve the situation and I think that's enough reason to try someone else. Hell, if it were an election between Obama and Hillary Clinton, I would've voted for Hillary. If it were an election between Obama and Bill Clinton, I would've voted for Bill.


Not yet. There are five issues that are most important to me this election: 1) The slow growth of the economy (GDP), 2) Slow job growth and shrinking labor force, 3) Federal spending and the expansion of the federal government, 4) A national debt I fear we can't recover from, and 5) Our national security.

Based on those five concerns, how will Obama's plan be better than Romney's plan? Keep in mind, Obama has a bad record to defend on these issues... (I have a feeling someone, hopefully you, Azelma, is going to give me a good laugh with their response... I'll let you know when I'm entertained.)


Maybe I'll get my credibility back if I vote for my candidate based on how "cool" they are.

This is laughable. Give me a single example of a strong statement he made.

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Got me good, I'll give you that one. However, I may have.. overstated.. how much that particular aspect of our President means to me.

You aren't allowed to ignore the math. You. Simply. Cannot. Do. It. I won't let this point go until you address and/or refute (lol) it. I shall quote Aestu, one of my favorite quotes that summarizes this election nicely:



While I disagree with the first bit, I usually amend the quote to say "you could argue that Obama has been..."

You want to try something new? To continue with your fire analogy, of course it would be dumb to leave you hand over a fire. How about moving it up a bit? Sill hot, but a step in the right direction. You know what's REALLY dumb? Moving your hand closer to said fire and then dousing your hand with kerosene.

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Spending is out of control and neither candidate will fix it.

Who should be punished? How?

The US helped Saddam poison thousands of Iranian women and children, does that mean we deserve to be punished?



Don't give us that garbage. You don't care about this country, and you wouldn't lift a finger to defend it, you'd invent some excuse not to, just as you always have in the past.



Why don't they want to kill Europeans? Canadians? Japanese? Chinese? Anyone else?



You don't like any of those things.

-Caps on federal spending, or cutting the federal workforce, would mean your entire extended family would be on the street because you're all on welfare.
-You don't like employment-at-will because it would drive wages so low you would never even be able to meet your monthly mortgage and credit card payments, let alone pay off the mountains of debt you're under.
-You don't like expanding our energy policy because it would require certain lifestyle adjustments and would ultimately wind up making your job obsolete.



What you really mean is, despite your entire family being on welfare, you want a candidate who tells you that you're part of the solution and everyone else is part of the problem.

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Nihilism is a copout.

And, uh, yeah. This.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm really happy that you're agreeing with me. Still don't know why you're typing all of these extra words, though.

Talk about throwing stones in a glass house. Anyone have that website where Mittens argues with himself on just about every major issue?

EDIT:

One candidate will raise taxes on the rich while the other one will cut taxes on the rich and balloon the military's budget. I'd rather go with the one that someone helps our situation rather than torpedoing us into the ground.

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I'm not going to argue about the merits of Mitt Romney, because to be honest, there really aren't any. The republicans had no good choices for a candidate when it was all said and done, and he was the best of a bad selection. That said, he's still better than the alternative the other party is offering. I'll take the Giant Douche over the Shit Sandwich this round, and hope for better in the future.

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according to this graph, there's a load of fun in the future.

So what you're saying is, if I understand it correctly, "just the tip?"

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Don't hold your breath on the next parade of buffoons. With the Tea Party becoming mainstream, the republican party took a hard right when the country is gradually drifting towards the left, especially on social issues. If the whole tea party thing becomes a permanent fixture in the party, the primaries are going to be just as ridiculous as they are now, especially since they're catering exclusively to a demographic (conservative, religious white men) that's rapidly becoming less relevant.


Let's just say for a second that USD is right (he is) and say that neither candidate is going to make any massive cuts to spending (Romney might, but he'll balloon the military budget to overcompensate for it). You have Obama running on raising revenues while Romney's going to cut revenues.

This is basic Econ 101 shit. How is Romney going to be better for the economy than Obama, exactly? There's reasons that he isn't giving any specifics on well... anything and there's reasons that people who are already on (or close to being on) medicare won't get affected by the voucher system he's proposing. Its because they're terrible ideas and will do a lot more hurt than whatever perceived good you think will come out of them.

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