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 Post subject: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:15 am  
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Do you think attempting to boil women as a group down to "they only care about <insert subject here>" is a viable political message? Aren't there several large subgroups of women politicians should be selectively targeting? I kind of wonder if maybe this "war on women" thing didn't shoot President Obama in the foot, especially since Romney appears to have closed the gap with female voters in recent polls.

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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:10 am  
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So basically this thread is going to have like 2 posts from actual women (Callysta and Zaryi, maybe) and then Aestu descends upon it like a swarm of rabid rats.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:19 am  
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It's viable in the short run. The next generation of women will have learned the hard way that doesn't work. Though honestly I believe in the long run, the breakdown of traditional family values is less likely to revert itself and more likely to make American society become similar to Russian society - atomized, cynical and predatory.

I know full well I'm wasting my breath but - you claim the media is left-wing biased, you are immune to influence and brainwashing, yet you seem pretty eager to believe this claim...by the media...that Romney is closing the gap...based on a selective citation of supposed polls. People are more likely to vote for a candidate if they think others are, especially in this day and age. You're being manipulated.

I've become increasingly skeptical of female suffrage. If women are equal to men then what is the purpose of having them vote? Logically, if women are equal to men, then the outcome of the election would be the same whether women vote or not. The best justification that can be given is that power corrupts, and therefore, it is necessary for women to be able to vote to ensure the protection of their own rights. I don't see what that has to do with any issue that is on the table. And no, reproductive rights don't count - very few women actually have any legitimate interest in reproductive rights, because abortions are rare.

Jubber's incredible gullibility aside (particularly since without military welfare, he would be living in subsidized housing and on a less lucrative form of welfare and therefore statistically extremely unlikely to vote), women are not as rational as men, they are more susceptible to social pressure and psychosexual emotional entreaties, and I think allowing them to have a say in the political system and driving of society is dangerous and destructive.

I haven't seen anything that makes me believe that female suffrage has changed the world for the better.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:19 am  
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Mns wrote:
So basically this thread is going to have like 2 posts from actual women (Callysta and Zaryi, maybe) and then Aestu descends upon it like a swarm of rabid rats.


Can I borrow your crystal ball? I misplaced mine.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:43 am  
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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:33 am  
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Aestu wrote:
I know full well I'm wasting my breath but - you claim the media is left-wing biased, you are immune to influence and brainwashing, yet you seem pretty eager to believe this claim...by the media...that Romney is closing the gap...based on a selective citation of supposed polls. People are more likely to vote for a candidate if they think others are, especially in this day and age. You're being manipulated.


I agree that polls are as much about manipulation as gauging opinion...but if a polling firm/news organization is in the habit of throwing polls, their work loses the credibility necessary to influence people. A month or so ago, I would have been more skeptical, but the new numbers for women make more sense (and Governor Romney is still behind President Obama in those numbers), because they would appear to more accurately reflect married women (who tend to vote republican just as singles tend to vote democrat) and those like the one in the second video who aren't single-issue "womyn unite!!!" voters.

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The best justification that can be given is that power corrupts, and therefore, it is necessary for women to be able to vote to ensure the protection of their own rights. I don't see what that has to do with any issue that is on the table. And no, reproductive rights don't count - very few women actually have any legitimate interest in reproductive rights, because abortions are rare.


And yet you would not believe the number of women I interact with on FB and other places who jump right on the "Romney gonna make me have a baby" bandwagon. A lot of them have bought into some really silly ideas like republicans want to take away their birth control (never mind that there are probably more than a few republican women and that republican men are happy for it regardless of the party affiliation of their lovers).

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Jubber's incredible gullibility aside (particularly since without military welfare, he would be living in subsidized housing and on a less lucrative form of welfare and therefore statistically extremely unlikely to vote),


I can't tell you how little it stings to be called a leech by the guy who has been living off his parents for the entire tenure of our friendship.

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women are not as rational as men, they are more susceptible to social pressure and psychosexual emotional entreaties, and I think allowing them to have a say in the political system and driving of society is dangerous and destructive. I haven't seen anything that makes me believe that female suffrage has changed the world for the better.


Maybe, but since men and women are equally capable of human failings, I doubt it's changed the world for the worst, either.

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 Post subject: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:38 am  
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Do you guys ever get tired of these same threads?


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:06 am  
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I don't presume to have earned that good fortune, nor am I content with it. It is not my intent to sting, it is my intent to be equivocal.

Earlier I mentioned the concept of morality and said that i felt that the issues of so-called morality talked about by the christian right were not really moral at all, but mere superstitions. I said i believed that the notions of morality that make a nation great had been long forgotten. I think that the inability to see that things have become worse in the moral sense, whether causally attributable to the increased prominence of women in society or not, is testament to that.

I define morality simply as a belief that right and wrong are real and tangible things, and superior to any material consideration. Reproductive rights, to me, are a superstition in that sense, directly comparable to miasma, effigy, taboo, dietary laws, etc, in that they are a shill, an arbitrary and trivial consideration that diverts attention from the great evil we accept in the world today.

That there is a right in this world dictates a moral imperative to follow it. That necessarily requires two qualities women tend to lack: moral independence, and a willingness to fight. Women generally dont have those qualities. Women tend to do what they think is socially approved of, and will permit them to avoid danger in the short run. Closely linked is the fact that the male identity is much less
psychosexual in nature and more defined by utilitarian and value-bases considerations
ns - hence the male need to feel useful.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:16 am  
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I dont necessarily blame women for the problems of society - everyone knows where i lay it - but i do believe the increased role of women in society is both a symptom of the problem and a means to avert correcting it. A lack of sacrifice driven by compassion, and a sense of common interest beyond self interest. Too often women are where they are because they champion the strong and challenge the weak, and this has affected the social dialogue in a bad way.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:42 am  
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Battletard wrote:
Do you guys ever get tired of these same threads?


Do you?

How often do you post in them?
How many posts do you have in threads about retrogaming, food, and trivia?

These are the issues of our time, Max. Isnt it important enough to talk about?


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:05 pm  
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I'm sick to death of these threads.

aestu hates women and lives off his parents.
jubbs worked military and now works blue collar.
callysta and zaryi are women.
no one will change their views on life in this thread.
USD is really hungry but is too lazy to go cook breakfast, even though there are bacon and eggs in the fridge.

we get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:42 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
USD is really hungry but is too lazy to go cook breakfast, even though there are bacon and eggs in the fridge.

I just had some sushi I got at the store yesterday.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:13 pm  
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I dont hate women, i hate the way things are today, and if you dont like the thread, post in or start another one.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:47 pm  
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Mns wrote:
Usdk wrote:
USD is really hungry but is too lazy to go cook breakfast, even though there are bacon and eggs in the fridge.

I just had some sushi I got at the store yesterday.


I like raw tuna, its pretty good.


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 Post subject: Re: Female Voters
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:58 pm  
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Tuna is being overfished.


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