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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:30 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
presumably getting more than even


Which is what it's all about, isn't it?

A man spilled my milk, so I burned his house.


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Me and a friend were at a buffet eating/talking. Only there like an hour if that. 30 minutes in they sent in "the muscle" as my friend called him. A tiny asian guy, like 20 with glasses. He just stood at the end of the room staring at us as the waitress refilled our cups every 2 minutes (they'd be like 90% full). aka go away now.

The last time I went to a buffet, two drunk women barely made it out the door and they got naked. Was kray.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Weena wrote:
Aestu wrote:
presumably getting more than even

Which is what it's all about, isn't it?
A man spilled my milk, so I burned his house.


Seeing your employer part with $5k and being chastised by a superior is not comparable to burning one's house down. One is violent and self-destructive and the other is not.

You complained I was crying. Clearly I am doing the opposite of crying, and you're not. You're changing the premise of your grousing because you don't like that someone is more effective at opposing a perceived slight in food service than you.

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The last time I went to a buffet, two drunk women barely made it out the door and they got naked. Was kray.


Were they hawt?

Speaking of which, there's an all-you-can-eat drink and bar nearby. Maybe I should go, ofc I'd be expected to buy some booze but that shouldn't be a problem. Maybe I can finally find a live-in.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Aestu wrote:
Seeing your employer part with $5k and being chastised by a superior is not comparable to burning one's house down. One is violent and self-destructive and the other is not.


Ah, superior. So who are you hiring to chastise him? I mean, after you unleashed your verbal diarrhea, the guy already sees you as inferior and needing to be locked away with a straight jacket for the safety of society.

You may not be violent initially, but you are destructive. And not in the destroy to create way.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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I'm not really complaining about anything. You're latching onto a passing comment, in what I'm assuming is an attempt to disregard how petty and stupid this all is. Or maybe it's an attempt to appear superior in 'citizen participation'. "Hey, at least I'm trying to change something for what I think is the better!".

I'm saying you're being a child. Someone asked you to leave, and whether it was reasonable or unreasonable, right or wrong, is moot, because you've decided to be obstinate and stubborn about something that isn't that big of a deal. You've decided to essentially out asshole the other guy. Hence the milk-house-burning analogy.


A teacher is hit in the head by a pencil. The class mistakes the pencil being thrown by you, and you are blamed by the entire room. You didn't throw the pencil, you deny throwing it. Teacher tells you to see them after class.

What you should do is see the teacher after class, make your case, take whatever lecture comes, and be done with it.

What you have done is decided to be excessively angry, to have a conniption, to be uncooperative with the teacher, to yell and kick. So instead of being done with it after a short lecture, you had to be carried out of the room by other teachers, got a number of days of detention, some in school suspension and grounded.

Now you want to have the teacher and school punished for being unjust.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:02 pm  
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Ah, superior. So who are you hiring to chastise him? I mean, after you unleashed your verbal diarrhea, the guy already sees you as inferior and needing to be locked away with a straight jacket for the safety of society.


You are projecting your own demons over the literal meaning of what I wrote. I wasn't referring to myself, I was referring to his district manager or whatnot.

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You may not be violent initially, but you are destructive. And not in the destroy to create way.


I prefer the label "chaotic neutral", thanks.

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I'm not really complaining about anything. You're latching onto a passing comment, in what I'm assuming is an attempt to disregard how petty and stupid this all is. Or maybe it's an attempt to appear superior in 'citizen participation'. "Hey, at least I'm trying to change something for what I think is the better!".

I'm saying you're being a child. Someone asked you to leave, and whether it was reasonable or unreasonable, right or wrong, is moot, because you've decided to be obstinate and stubborn about something that isn't that big of a deal. You've decided to essentially out asshole the other guy. Hence the milk-house-burning analogy.

A teacher is hit in the head by a pencil. The class mistakes the pencil being thrown by you, and you are blamed by the entire room. You didn't throw the pencil, you deny throwing it. Teacher tells you to see them after class. What you should do is see the teacher after class, make your case, take whatever lecture comes, and be done with it.

What you have done is decided to be excessively angry, to have a conniption, to be uncooperative with the teacher, to yell and kick. So instead of being done with it after a short lecture, you had to be carried out of the room by other teachers, got a number of days of detention, some in school suspension and grounded. Now you want to have the teacher and school punished for being unjust.


So how does life really work inside the fantasy world of Weena?

Seems a lot like the world of Walter Mitty. You fantasize about yourself in unrealistic heroic motifs - like Mitty visualizing himself as a war hero or air ace, you interpolate imagery of yourself as Heavy or some other type of badass. And when the world gets you down, when someone shakes their finger at you, your woman tells you to mind the intersection or someone makes you put out your smoke, you grouse and blame the guvmint.

This is absolutely how you change things. It's not clean, it's not easy, it's not heroic. There is no day of reckoning where all those oppressors of smokers, wage-earners and other people minding what is their idea of their own business - maybe a very different idea than what others may have of what is or isn't their business, just like in this very incident - will one day miraculously see the error of their ways, or be vanquished by the righteous forces of those same "self-help" types who curiously never see fit to, well, help themselves.

News flash: in the real world, the world of America, where you are trying to navigate a world where people pretty much don't give a shit about each other, the guy who winds up on top, is usually going to be the guy willing to be the biggest asshole.

Don't like that? Well. Maybe looking out for oneself isn't so marvelous after all, hmm?

The cute thing in your analogy is that the "child seeing teacher after class" has no real power. The teacher can brush off the boy and do his thing no matter what. I guess that boy is you. You extinguish your cigarette, grouse, and wait ineffectually for our lord and savior Ron Paul to address your grousing.

Or do you have a better idea? You know, one that isn't made of fail and doesn't leave you the kid kicking pebbles on your way home, upset that the teacher didn't listen to you telling him to stop being mean and wishing you had the gumption to do something about it?

P.S.: Are you familiar with the short story in question?


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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James Thurber went to Ohio State.

Fun fact.

Also, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty was one of the most depressing things I read in all of high school. Probably because I was so afraid of becoming that character.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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That story made me never want to get married.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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I'm all for showing the other guy I'm the bigger asshole.

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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Seems a lot like the world of Walter Mitty. You fantasize about yourself in unrealistic heroic motifs - like Mitty visualizing himself as a war hero or air ace, you interpolate imagery of yourself as Heavy or some other type of badass. And when the world gets you down, when someone shakes their finger at you, your woman tells you to mind the intersection or someone makes you put out your smoke, you grouse and blame the guvmint.


So do people fantasize themselves as small felines with barbed penises when they use macros that have cats in them?

But more on topic, I'm not going to barge into establishments and light a cigarette to protest smoking bans.

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This is absolutely how you change things. It's not clean, it's not easy, it's not heroic. There is no day of reckoning where all those oppressors of smokers, wage-earners and other people minding what is their idea of their own business - maybe a very different idea than what others may have of what is or isn't their business, just like in this very incident - will one day miraculously see the error of their ways, or be vanquished by the righteous forces of those same "self-help" types who curiously never see fit to, well, help themselves.


"The ends justify the means."

A load of garbage often used as a rationalization for knowingly poor methods of creating change. Maybe I should disregard any rules and protocol and just delete your posts and ban you because I think FUBU would be better without you. This is intended only as an example, and doesn't portray any feelings or thoughts.

How many guilds have you changed acting this way? I'd wager none. I'd wager they all just cut their ties with you after becoming frustrated.



I'm finished in here. Good day.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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This is a good question.

Aestu, having been on this earth for more than a quarter of a century, and being you..."challenging the status quo" -- doing things like this incident in the restaurant...being angry and combative. Refusing to back down or go with the flow under any circumstance, challenging those who you consider to be ignorant or douchebags, looking down upon many, many people....

1.) What have you changed with the world?

2.) How has it made your life better?


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Weena wrote:
"The ends justify the means." A load of garbage often used as a rationalization for knowingly poor methods of creating change. Maybe I should disregard any rules and protocol


Ends justify the means. Implying my means are questionable.
What means? Being obtuse, then going through the legal system and finally suing.

What rules and protocol are we talking about, that I am disregarding? Small claims IS the "rules and protocol". How do my means - kicking him in the shins? burning down the guy's house? or just saying no then pushing the issue? - beg justification?

You still haven't answered my question...do you have a more effective approach for getting what you want than just asking? What do you do when someone who has no reason to say "yes" says "no"?

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How many guilds have you changed acting this way?
1.) What have you changed with the world?


Azelma's questions are fair.

What have I changed? Well, you, for one thing. Quite a few other people have come to respect my tenacity. I've managed to slant their views on a few issues, or simply get them to take me more seriously than the average joe. That's something in itself.

In the mutual experience of WoW, I would cite the example of Kaldoreii's experience in Blizzardland as a case of my "changing" things. A lot of people, no less me, have things in-game they wouldn't have gotten any other way. Others have had their take on the game expanded. Now and then I have seen people on forums quote me long after Blizzard blacklisted me. And I believe there are quite a few things in modern WoW that are my innovations.

In real life? I've mentioned incidents in the past where I fought banks, telecom, disagreeable bureaucrats, housing administrators, and gotten what I was after - the reversion of some fee, a change to something I wasn't happy with - the list is long - that the other party was not prepared to do without a fight.

More than that, I showed them that some people WILL fight. I plead guilty to being "That Guy". "That Guy" is the guy who bullies don't want you to be. All those people and institutions who found me a thorn in their shoes will be more cautious next time they contemplate pushing their agenda on some random person in the belief they'll just roll over.

I truly struggle to understand how Weena claims to believe in self-help yet disdains any approach other than just asking nicely. What's his Plan B? Go home and blame the guvmint?

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Whichever bromide you prefer to subscribe to, the basic premise is sound. Fighting the good fight is what it's all about. I have no respect for people who have no guramba.

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2.) How has it made your life better?


What is life? Well, life is what you do with it.

A lot of young men my age and background are roughly in my position - not sure what to do with themselves. So I don't feel I have reason to believe that my life would be so much better off if I had made a life of taking a more cautious approach. And I don't have nothing. I have the prospect of going to UCinn or a few other universities I wouldn't otherwise have had if I wasn't a fighter.

Conversely, I would say I have no shortage of anecdotes and accumulated wisdom and experience from being bold, for good or bad. Even being arrested for a minor crime is arguably a worthwhile experience. You see things you wouldn't see any other way, the experience won't be novel should one have a similar one. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and I feel that a life of opposition has given me great insight into the world.

In WoW? I've had an epic journey. In life? As I said above, I've gotten this and that material gain.
But more than that...



Is my answer satisfactory to you, Azelma?


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Don't restaurant owners subscribe to the whole "customer is always right" thing? as retarded as it may be, it's so commonplace now that it's sickening. BUT! That doesn't mean I don't take advantage of it when I can. Hey, they chose to stick that slogan alongside their names. Therefore, if I give you money, you have essentially made yourself my bitch, and if you step out of line, I'm going to make sure you FEEL like my bitch too.

Just sayin.

Oh, and I am in complete agreement with Aestu here. Not sure if I would have been able to do what you did without losing my cool.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Fantastique wrote:
Don't restaurant owners subscribe to the whole "customer is always right" thing? as retarded as it may be, it's so commonplace now that it's sickening. BUT! That doesn't mean I don't take advantage of it when I can. Hey, they chose to stick that slogan alongside their names. Therefore, if I give you money, you have essentially made yourself my bitch, and if you step out of line, I'm going to make sure you FEEL like my bitch too.


I love you Fanta...but this kind of attitude is shit and it infuriates me. Customers with that attitude are the fucks who would flip out and berate me while I worked at Wendys.

One time this guy (who definitely DIDNT say "no tomato") comes up with a HALF EATEN burger. I do my "customer is always right" thing and apologize profusely and offer to make him another sandwhich. He proceeds to make an entire scene about how he's allergic (again, he ate half the fucking sandwhich before "discovering" the tomato), berates me some more, has me go get the manager and makes off with a bunch of free Wendy's bucks.

That guy was a fucking asshole. I guess I was his "bitch" by virtue of the fact that I had to have a job making minimum wage and standing over greasey stoves all day?


Have you ever worked in a restaurant or fast food place Fanta? Will you ever have to?

No, this manager in Aestu's story sounds like a douche. Fine. But to have this attitude that "Customer is always right, everyone who works for that restaurant is my bitch" makes you a fucking asshole. You sound like a rich entitled shit when you treat people working terrible jobs for terrible pay like "your bitch" -- you "tale advantage when you can" -- why because you are lucky enough to not have to work in such a shitty industry to pay for things? No, you can afford to go to med school, can't you? And before you say how "smart" you are...know you were also lucky enough to have a strong family system and educational support system that many people aren't blessed with.

/rant


And yes Aestu, I found your answer to be quite interesting. And you're right that you changed many of my perceptions.


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I go out of my way to be polite to the mostly poor black female staff. I go out of my way to be polite to people who work tedious or unskilled jobs in general.

Manager was a white guy in his late 50s. He doesn't miss many meals.


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