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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:17 pm  
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This thread is incredibly dumb and Ethan is a victimized racist.
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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:59 pm  
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Im not racist, the world is. I just know how it is. And just because white baby boomers in middle management have it way too easy doesnt mean i make a point of making their lives harder unless they do the same to me. I would have done all the same regardless of the race of any of the participants.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:29 pm  
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Whatever, racist.
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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:24 pm  
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Azelma, sincerest apologies for any insult. That was not my intention. Perhaps I didn't explain my thoughts thoroughly, as I got caught up in my anger towards the douche in the story (and towards those who support him, if only because they don't want to take Aestu's side for whatever reason). Here is my fully thought-out attitude towards these kind of situations:

Though I may have the attitude of a "rich and entitled" person, I am not the kind of person who would unjustly flip out on anyone, as you presume. In fact, I don't even think you'd be responsible for upholding "customer is always right" - that is for managers and other higher-ups. I would take any grievance to them, politely, and collect what's owed. If he tries to be a douche, he will get owned. Simple. Similarly, if you are a douche at the register, you will get what you deserve (hence the "unjustly").

It's simple. Be nice, I will be nice. Be a douche, you will be owned. In addition, if you DO happen to make a mistake, simply own up to it, fix it if you can, and we're good. But just as my seemingly "rich entitled" attitude rubs you the wrong way, the whole "am working here cuz I have to so everything should be excused" attitude infuriates me. Yes, I understand that some people HAVE to work there or whatever, but that doesn't mean you're allowed to do a bad job. I have a certain expectation of retail workers because, and let's be honest with ourselves for a second, the jobs are not hard to do. Some may be taxing, sure, but none are difficult. Therefore, anything less than 100% is unacceptable. If you can't give your 100% at your job, you should find one in which you CAN give 100%.

Back to Aestu's story, the manager was a douche. Plain and simple. And as he was in a leadership position, he should have had more tact. HE is the one who chose to adhere to the whole "customer is always right" in order to get more business, but he should have prepared to accept the flip side of that deal. As soon as he accepted Aestu's money, he became obligated to provide as perfect an experience as possible.

Just my two cents.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Maybe my perceptions one what happened are colored by the fact that I work in a bar, and we physically throw people out all the time.

Sometimes I forget how people treat each other during the day time.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:09 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Maybe my perceptions one what happened are colored by the fact that I work in a bar, and we physically throw people out all the time.

Sometimes I forget how people treat each other during the day time.


You throw people out for belligerence or intoxication, not for staying to work or refusing to drink.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Fantastique wrote:
Don't restaurant owners subscribe to the whole "customer is always right" thing? as retarded as it may be, it's so commonplace now that it's sickening.

Some do. It's a terrible, terrible business model though, especially in food service.

EDIT: Its pretty much a fact that 75% of the time when someone says they're allergic to something, they're just bullshitting to make sure it isn't on their food, especially if its something really specific outside of the big 8 (which are peanuts, tree nuts, eggs, gluten, lactose, shellfish, and chocolate IIRC).


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Yuratuhl wrote:
You throw people out for belligerence or intoxication, not for staying to work or refusing to drink.


If I was a server I'd be pretty pissed if one of my tables was clogged up during service by some fuckholes who paid a long time ago and refuse to leave. Its a business, not a friend's house. If they're busy, keep buying stuff, go somewhere else, or leave a fat tip. If they're not busy, they can go fuck themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Yuratuhl wrote:
Usdk wrote:
Maybe my perceptions one what happened are colored by the fact that I work in a bar, and we physically throw people out all the time.

Sometimes I forget how people treat each other during the day time.


You throw people out for belligerence or intoxication, not for staying to work or refusing to drink.


Yes, but it happens so often that its pretty much all I see. Like I said, its probably colored my perceptions.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:13 am  
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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:08 am  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
More at 11.

You're going to bitch some more about something you've already expressed your one-dimensional opinion on several times?


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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Fantastique wrote:
Azelma, sincerest apologies for any insult. That was not my intention. Perhaps I didn't explain my thoughts thoroughly, as I got caught up in my anger towards the douche in the story (and towards those who support him, if only because they don't want to take Aestu's side for whatever reason). Here is my fully thought-out attitude towards these kind of situations:

Though I may have the attitude of a "rich and entitled" person, I am not the kind of person who would unjustly flip out on anyone, as you presume. In fact, I don't even think you'd be responsible for upholding "customer is always right" - that is for managers and other higher-ups. I would take any grievance to them, politely, and collect what's owed. If he tries to be a douche, he will get owned. Simple. Similarly, if you are a douche at the register, you will get what you deserve (hence the "unjustly").

It's simple. Be nice, I will be nice. Be a douche, you will be owned. In addition, if you DO happen to make a mistake, simply own up to it, fix it if you can, and we're good. But just as my seemingly "rich entitled" attitude rubs you the wrong way, the whole "am working here cuz I have to so everything should be excused" attitude infuriates me. Yes, I understand that some people HAVE to work there or whatever, but that doesn't mean you're allowed to do a bad job. I have a certain expectation of retail workers because, and let's be honest with ourselves for a second, the jobs are not hard to do. Some may be taxing, sure, but none are difficult. Therefore, anything less than 100% is unacceptable. If you can't give your 100% at your job, you should find one in which you CAN give 100%.

Back to Aestu's story, the manager was a douche. Plain and simple. And as he was in a leadership position, he should have had more tact. HE is the one who chose to adhere to the whole "customer is always right" in order to get more business, but he should have prepared to accept the flip side of that deal. As soon as he accepted Aestu's money, he became obligated to provide as perfect an experience as possible.

Just my two cents.


Thanks for clarifying and I'm sorry if I flew off the handle a bit there. Having spent many years getting shat on by douchebag customers, I get sensitive about it.

You're right with mistakes...retail isn't hard. Still, you're dealing with humans. Mistakes happen.

I can only speak to fast food since I never worked retail...but I know we'd serve thousands of people in a given day (2nd busiest Wendy's in Columbus) -- and yeah, I know I made some mistakes from time to time. But the job is hard...there's a lot of stuff going on, and yeah, maybe I forgot your frosty while I was serving 3 other people in the drive through at various stages....I'll apologize and do my best to make it right. Berating me and trying to make me feel small because I inconvenienced you for 30 seconds while I corrected the error is petty. The people who flip out when a mistake is made frustrate me because it's obvious they have no empathy for your situation.

We live in a society where people always want to make others feel small - that's the problem. This douche manager wanted to make Aestu feel small. People yelling at a high school student working at Wendy's want to make him feel small. I know I had douche managers at Wendy's who did the same thing. It's a problem we have -- there's no collaboration...just competition. If you have an advantage over someone, you are likely to exploit it. It's a shame...I wish we worked together and respected each other more.



I am curious though, have you ever worked at a restaurant or fast food?


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu Goes On Crime Spree, Gets Slammer, Cops Are Cool
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I guarangoddamntee it won't surprise you who has and who hasn't worked in a resteraunt/bar.


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