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You still have yet to prove how Romney is going to do better.

He has a "plan" with no specifics whatsoever. But you're going to take his word because you're a sheep.

To be clear, I don't even like Obama...I'm just telling you Romney is only going to help the rich get richer.

We'll see how it turns out.

To be fair, both President Obama and Governor Romney are complete gits who are in over their heads and have no idea what they're doing, I'm only voter for the turd I think is shinier because I don't want the other turd making any more court appointments.

You know that no matter who wins, we're going to have the "the other guy only won because they cheated" bullshit that we've had since 2000. Al Gore should be goddamned ashamed that even Richard Nixon had the good sense not to put the country through that kind of bullshit.

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At least Al Gore isn't John Edwards. You should have been in town here for that shit show.

That's where I am frightened with Mitt Romney...the court appointments.

He's going to put someone in there to give Roe V Wade the overturn advantage, he's going to put someone in there who will uphold a ban on gay marriage, he's going to put a git in there who will uphold stem cell research bans, he's going to keep corporate power and corruption at an all time high. He's a man for the wealthy. Ryan and he are the embodiment of Wall Street greed and excess.

It's going to be scary. I take solace in something my girlfriend said though "you can't stop progress, you can only slow it down"

Mitt is going to try to slow it down if elected. He may be successful, but he won't stop it. Sorry Eturnal.

Progress is things getting so bad that the system goes kaput and we can start fresh.

In that sense, Romney is the progress candidate.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I dont think either candidate will cut the deficit before we collapse. Which means that either candidate will be the worst president ever.

Pretty sure Bush is gonna hold onto his title.

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Um, you can't 'prove' how a President is going to do before they're President. I can, however, look at Obama's record as President and see how little he's accomplished even though he had a free ride for the first two years... and that's more than enough for anyone who isn't dripping from the mouth with Obama's dick juice to say, "Nope, no thanks. Not again."

Ever since you've been screaming about, "Romney isn't specific with his tax cuts and loophole closures," the President didn't release a plan of his own. Until a few weeks ago, all we had from the President is a re-hash of his 2008 talking points, but now we have his plan... and guess what? It's a re-hash of his 2008 plan with little in terms of specifics. "Obama's math doesn't add up", "Obama's plan has no new plans" and "Obama's plans aren't very specific." That's what places like CNN, NPR and Huffington Post have said over the last two weeks.

I'm highly doubtful that you've read the 130+ pages of Romney's unspecific plan, or even the [ur=https://secure.assets.bostatic.com/pdfs/Jobs_Plan_Booklet.pdf]18 pages (which is a generous page count since most of the pages are just large pictures) of Obama's highly specific plan.[/url]

PS: I don't care if the rich get richer... it's not like this Administration has done anything to reverse that trend. I care if the country has unsustainable budgets and programs, high unemployment, excessive regulation and federal government reach/growth, and a poor plan to keep up national defense.

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What's wrong with that?


Romney's a supporter of stem cell research (if he stem cells are harvested through Invetro or from umbilical cords), but he doesn't support the idea of creating life to destroy it by harvesting stem cells through embryos. He also opposes federal funds from being used in embryonic stem cell research.


For someone who screams about specifics, I'd love to read how you've come to this conclusion. Because he want's to see business thrive and be free of needless regulation? I don't understand what you bleeding-heart types have against business and people being successful.


For someone who used to love Obama (but now dislikes Obama), you sure as hell sound like the President and all his supporters. Wall Street 'greed' is so fucking bad, although because of it, most of us have jobs/houses/college educations/etc. How you managed to be a business partner with such a shit attitude towards business and a poor understanding of how it works in an economy... I don't even know.


You should be poking your dick in Jubber, instead, since he has a better quote -- "Progress can be a lot of things. Sometimes it's realizing you're heading in the wrong direction and changing course."


I figured it would've been passed from Carter to Obama.

Started skimming through your post saw "Romney believes" and stopped reading.

The guy's literally been on every side of the abortion debate. Why trust anything he says?

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Yes, how dare the actually-elected candidate fight for the position he won. What a shameful coward, standing up for himself.

You morons are unreal.

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1. Why should reproductive rights be a states' rights issue?
2. There is no rule of law without courts
3. Obama has managed to wind up two wars, prevented poor, sick and middle-class people from dying of treatable diseases or going underwater from care costs, and repaired the US's rep to a surprising extent. He's done a lot of bad stuff for special interest groups but you can't accuse him of doing worse than any other candidate the US political system is likely to produce.



Richard Nixon managed to survive in politics despite being a thoroughly unlikeable person by supporting McCarthyism. So, yes, he did put the country through "that kind of bullshit".

His two predecessors got power by murdering the president before them, and the presidents after him got power by giving weapons to terrorists and Saddam.

Oh, and there's Carter, who didn't do any of that but was a terrible human being, or something.



What the hell are you talking about? You work for the government, dude.
(they paid for your education and training, too)

Almost everyone on this board went to a state school because private schools are completely unaffordable. Our homes were mostly built by small contractors.

If we lived in North Korea, would you accept the argument, "it's because of the Communist Party most of us have jobs/houses/college educations/etc."?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

FTFY



Jimmy Carter is, so far as anyone can tell without spying on him, an exemplary human being. His tenure as president, however, was so abysmal that it gave us the "misery index." Sometimes what the country/world needs isn't a good man, sometimes what it really needs is an absolutely bastard.

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I've posted this before but it is absolutely case in point.

That said, Carter, like many other Presidents (Truman, Eisenhower, Clinton, JFK, Obama), did the best that could be done with difficult situations, which is somehow more disgraceful than creating new problems, pandering to jimboism and spouting sound bites.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

On what proof?



Um, yeah, because the GOP has been cheating routinely for the last 40 years, in every presidential election, with increasing obviousness. They have to cheat because their ideas are so loco and contrary to the interests of all but a few Americans that even with American stupidity and massive propaganda, they STILL can't win without cheating in one form or another, whether it's giving weapons to terrorists for political points, ballot fraud, bribing the Supreme Court (fun fact: Sandra O'Connor resigned but is now happily employed as a judge and well-paid consultant, which is unconstitutional for this very reason), or committing murder.

"The proof that the other side cheats is that they accuse us of cheating, and evidence that they are cheating is that they have evidence that we are cheating."

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I've yet to see any recount of the contested FL ballots showing Vice-President Gore as the winner that have followed the election guidelines concerning what constitutes a valid vote (i.e. tossing out any 'hanging chads' and invalidating votes where two candidates were selected, etc.). I've seen at least one unofficial recount that declared Vice-President Gore the winner, but it was based on the "will of voter" as determined by the tabulators and didn't follow official election guidelines.



The same thing can be said of the other party, with at least as much evidence, and democrats even had a "civic organization" (ACORN) attempting some shady shenanigans on their behalf.



Some of the ideas on the left side of the aisle are equally batshit crazy, the only reason you guys don't cop to that is because they're your batshit crazy ideas so they're obviously OK. The other part of this argument is that it isn't whether or not the ideas are wrong, but not acceptable because of who they benefit, ostensibly suggesting that so long as an idea benefits the interests of many Americans (or specific Americans) it doesn't matter whether the idea is flawed.



Again, this could easily be said, with more than a little supporting evidence, about democrats.



There's plenty of evidence of cheating on both sides of the aisle. If you think those that lean to the left have clean hands, all you have to do is google "ACORN."

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