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Battletard · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:39 pm

You guys are idiots and assholes for the way you treat each other over your differences of opinion. Get some perspective. I fully recognize how contradictory that first sentence is, but Jesus Christ.

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:40 pm

Yuratuhl wrote:

Just because you want your parents dead (for your benefit) doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.

Life is much easier when circumstances prevent one from having to be brutally pragmatic. Whether that means having material things or different people in one's life adds up to the same thing.

Battletard wrote:

You guys are idiots and assholes for the way you treat each other over your differences of opinion. Get some perspective. I fully recognize how contradictory that first sentence is, but Jesus Christ.

I didn't bring Usd's mom into this - he made that choice for himself, for the purpose of justifying his position. And the only way in which her mention did so was as an emotional human shield.

Nothing he said about her made his position fundamentally more valid, he just tried to use filial sentimentality to insulate his position by making any disagreement a violation of taboo. That degree of cynicism speaks for itself - it's no choice of mine.

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:51 pm

Jubbergun wrote:

I'm not saying everyone else should be a loser, I'm saying most people already are losers. They do nothing that gives their lives any meaning or value. Outside of the people who are emotionally attached to them, they won't be missed. I've squandered my talents and a few opportunities, a lot of other people do the same. The most disappointing thing about you is that you're on track to do the same. Loads of talent and what mark have you made on the world outside of some internet forums and video games? That's a question only you can answer, but don't let your narcissism delude you. You're as big a waste of space as some drunk idiot watching NASCAR in a trailer park, but so long as you have those people around to make yourself feel better by comparison, you'll never be able to see it.

The difference between me and what you describe is that I don't narrow my field of view until it ceases to bother me, or I can at least make the argument to such an effect. The assumption implicit in your argument is that this is the best of all worlds and that everything always works as it should.

The same guy watching NASCAR doesn't magically become less of a loser when he buys his beer with a cash-in-hand job or even should he hit it big. He is still the same self-interested, narrow-minded nitwit regardless of his fortunes. That is why people from that background are maligned regardless of their financial situation.

If I were successful, I would not say that the world is necessarily fair, and the fact it isn't is not a basis not to try. That is the difference between the guy blithely watching NASCAR or saying that life HAS to suck and therefore no one could possibly be above his level, and the guy who says that it sucks by design and not as a given, while trying to do the best he can with it.

Necrachilles · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:09 pm

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Usdk · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:11 pm

Mayo's point was that Jubbs should kill himself so his medical bills one day dont leave his son broke as shit. Which is also a cunt thing to say.

My point was I'd rather have my mom than money, I was comparing the two outcomes jubbs kid would have in mayo's point(dead dad + money or alive dad - money) with the two outcomes I could have had.

That's not human shielding, it was a direct comparison.

No wonder boredalt doesn't post here anymore.

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:22 pm

Usdk wrote:

Mayo's point was that Jubbs should kill himself so his medical bills one day dont leave his son broke as shit. Which is also a cunt thing to say. My point was I'd rather have my mom than money, I was comparing the two outcomes jubbs kid would have in mayo's point(dead dad + money or alive dad - money) with the two outcomes I could have had. That's not human shielding, it was a direct comparison.

You are being willfully obtuse. Mayo's remark was rhetorical and you know it.

It's not a direct comparison at all because you were never presented that choice. If you were, and your mom survived and you had nothing in consequence, why should we believe you'd accept that outcome equivocally and not as fundamentally wrong? After all, in the here and now, you always make the argument "well the system worked for me therefore it's fine".

Rather than consider the possibility that what you believe in might NOT work for you, you try to wall that line of thinking off by interposing a taboo.

Usdk wrote:

No wonder boredalt doesn't post here anymore.

Boredalt is upset for the same reason you are now upset which is that he made dishonest and self-serving arguments and tried to fill in the gaps with cheap throws to machismo and passive-aggressive BS and got called on it. Rather than get better he chose to get mad.

Actually, I think what really annoyed him was his trying to talk about secession as if it were a reasonable and informed response to the current situation, then was upset when I linked a BBC article insinuating secession was the racist redneck's knee-jerk response to a black guy in the White House.

Honestly I don't like driving people away, but ultimately, people do it to themselves. The breakdown in political discourse in America today is driven largely by the degree to which political views are driven by personal identity issues. All American political discussions inescapably wind down to how people see themselves and their self-flattering version of reality. As such, challenging views inevitably becomes challenging one's very self.

Callysta · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:54 pm

Yuratuhl wrote:

Just because you want your parents dead (for your benefit) doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.

This. I love my parents and would happily fork over my inheritance to keep them around as long as possible.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Meowth · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:11 pm

Battletard wrote:

Bleh. Fuck this thread.

Get Aestu'd.

Jubbergun · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:39 pm

Meowth wrote:

Get Aestu'd.

This one is honestly more my fault than his. I generally have a morose disposition this time of year, and instead of keeping myself positive and hopeful I've lapsed into the sort of despair that encourages the thinking that life is a meaningless endeavor. That definitely feeds the troll.

You'd think that the guy who argued against my belief that all people are inherently good in a previous thread and generally speaks about others with unrestrained disdain would have embraced the idea that most people are useless nits with no reason to continue drawing breath. Then again, knowing that the individual in question actually doesn't have any core beliefs and just argues for the sake of it, it's not surprising.

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Jubber

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:20 pm

Jubbergun wrote:

You'd think that the guy who argued against my belief that all people are inherently good in a previous thread and generally speaks about others with unrestrained disdain would have embraced the idea that most people are useless nits with no reason to continue drawing breath.

"See sig". It's weak and self-defeating to just say "everything sucks, so let's not consider what is and what could be".

Are most people useless nits? Sure. But why should we take that as a given? If we want to be more than a useless nit, wouldn't thinking about things be a good place to start?

Jubbergun wrote:

Then again, knowing that the individual in question actually doesn't have any core beliefs and just argues for the sake of it, it's not surprising.

It is probably true I don't have any core beliefs in the sense you do. I mean, why should I? Why should anyone hold a belief that is beyond question?

Meowth · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:50 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how many questions you manage to add in a post. No, you don't need to respond to this either.

Jubbergun · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:01 am

Meowth wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how many questions you manage to add in a post.

What's so surprising? If you don't have any answers, you ask a deflecting question in an attempt not to look stupid. That's entry-level BULLSHIT 101 stuff.

Your Pal,
Jubber

Aestu · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:21 am

Meowth wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how many questions you manage to add in a post. No, you don't need to respond to this either.

What's wrong with rhetorical questions? Are you saying they can't sometimes be useful?

Mns · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:10 pm

Usdk wrote:

Mayo's point was that Jubbs should kill himself so his medical bills one day dont leave his son broke as shit. Which is also a cunt thing to say.

I didn't say he should kill himself, I just hope that he's fine with FREE MARKET screwing him over by worming their way out of paying for whatever procedure he might need and he might have to choose between staying alive by paying the costs out of pocket or spiraling his family into financial ruin. Over 60% of bankruptcies in this country are due to medical costs, and I guess that's okay because RON PAUL.

Battletard · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:42 pm

Aestu wrote:

Meowth wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how many questions you manage to add in a post. No, you don't need to respond to this either.

What's wrong with rhetorical questions? Are you saying they can't sometimes be useful?

Were those rhetorical questions? Was that question I just asked a rhetorical question? Is it possible that all three of these could even be rhetorical questions?

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