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He would have gotten dogpiled pretty quickly, the kids would have run away screaming. Certainly he wouldn't have felt as confident in setting out to commit mass murder.

As has been said, "there's no question a ban on guns will save more lives than it ends". People simply didn't commit mass murder before there were easily available guns, and it's very rare in societies where guns are not easily available.

But if we are so tired of talking about guns, we should examine the social issues I pointed out...

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We shouldn't need these sort of events to incite gun conversation, it should already be happening. Sure, you can use the "Guns will still be easily acquired if made illegal, look at drugs," but having them legal just makes them a lot easier to get.

Personally, I think we should slowly start moving towards outlawing guns but should first start with higher hoops needed to jump through for a gun. Prove your psychologically stable and maybe, just maybe we'll give you a gun.

It's tragic. That much everyone agrees with.

That said, if he couldn't get a gun, this wouldn't have happened.

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If they were here I would agree. A bunch of mouthbreathers starting the billionth argument about gun control on some website nobody that knows someone that knows someone who got killed today isn't going to pause the mourning process.

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Fanta and myself were here first, don't give Aestu all the credit.

He's right in this case. On many counts. Not simply as far as guns / weapons are concerned.

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The scary part of the psychological aspect of these things is that often times, a person is completely sane for 20+ years, and then they just snap. Case in point, the guy who opened fire in the mall in Oregon? People (including his ex) described him as one of the happiest, friendliest people they knew. Then apparently, the week before the murders, he seemed numb and strange. A lot of mental illness doesn't present itself until later in life.

But I agree, we do need stricter regulations. And not just for those purchasing the gun, but for those who would have access. This Adam Lanza's mother was the one who owned the guns. He killed her, drove to the school she taught at, and shot her kindergarten class. I am still totally lost on the rationale for this. But the guns weren't even his, though they were legally acquired.

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People should be required to submit to random audits in order to own guns, with harsh penalties if they're being stored improperly.

Inb4 party of no cries about privacy. There is no valid reason to oppose this other than 'we can make the argument that it infringes our privacy' and so that argument is made just for the sake of making it.

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I had to fight the instinct to rush over to my daughter's schools and pick them up early. My kindergartener's principal is a close family friend (we named Heather after her daughter) and she called me to cry with me and assure me my daughter was fine. She lost her own son tragically during a school function. I was in Bethel/Newtown, CT in May for my friend Carol-Anne's wedding. It was a pretty little place to walk around. So sad

This could have happened anywhere. And that is what had me bawling today.

I shouldn't be surprised by the gun control shit. Legislating away the legal right to have a gun ensures that only criminals will have them. Besides, the kid didn't own any of the guns. They belonged to his mother, who was not, as far as anyone can tell, a crazy person. Over 3,000 people were killed because some men were waving boxcutters around. Saying that if he didn't have a gun that this wouldn't have happened is biased and shortsighted. He was determined to kill as many people as possible. Gun, knife, bat, bomb? The man was sick. Should we outlaw cars because sometimes people who drink too much drive them and kill others? It is not the car that is bad, but the operator.

Anyhow, my heart is stretched to pieces thinking about these small little ones. I have a 1st grader, and kindergartener, and a preschooler. Knowing that most of the victims were as small and defenseless as one of them is heartbreaking.

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Even without a gun, if I wanted a lot of people dead, especially if I didn't mind (or really wanted) killing myself in the process, it's not hard to build a bomb. "Get rid of all the guns" sounds pretty, and you can all pat yourselves on the back for how 'enlightened' you are, but it would change things, and not in a way you'd enjoy. You've already got one person here suggesting random unwarranted police searches to enforce the policy, for God's sake.

Whether you like it or not, guns are integral to American culture, and they aren't going anywhere. Instead of suggesting the problem is somehow wrapped up in animate objects, we need to be looking at ways to keep schools and other public places safe from people who have sailed over the edge and provide support for people with mental/emotional issues who have been identified.

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EDIT: Funny thing, after I'm done here and move on to check my Reddit messages, I find this linked on the front page.

Guess we better start locking our cutlery drawers, too, eh?

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Actually, it is. Especially without blowing yourself up in the process.



First off, guns are not integral to American culture. That is a contemporary myth created by the gun lobby. Guns have become part of American culture in the postwar era because many Americans are too stupid and cowardly to face the chaos of our contemporary world without a teddy bear. Most obviously because the guns in question are themselves contemporary. You're not going to be able to commit mass murder with a six-shooter.

Even if they were, people said the same thing about slavery, Jim Crow, small farmers, frontiersmen and a good many other things that have passed along the way. Things change, ideas change, whatever have you. Fatalism is the hallmark of a weak argument.



The inanimate objects have no utility except as enablers for criminal behavior.



It can't be done.

Even if it could, how would you do it? Put metal detectors everywhere and search all baggage? How's that going to work on high school campuses with 2,000 students coming and going a day? So we should paralyze American daily life and violate people's FREEDOM to not be searched because some rednecks aren't willing to give up a political sacred cow? Everyone else should suffer because they are stubborn? Are we trying to make life better, or are we enslaving our lives to an arbitrary viewpoint?

And how do you determine if someone has mental or emotional issues before they do something crazy? What impartial criteria do you use? How do you work that into due process? By what authority?



Yes, that is the sort of thing I was alluding to. And it wasn't a "spate of attacks" in 2010; like SARS, Foxcomm and attacks on government offices and police stations, it was one of a broad variety of unthinkable things that are common occurences in China that the government moves to suppress publicity of after the attention of the West is aroused.

Notice the bias in the headline. 22 slashed. But if you read the article, it says that most of the kids were seen walking around with bandages. They were maimed, not killed, and taking an incidental knife wound is far, far preferable to getting shot.

All things considered, I'd rather have crazy guys armed with knives than guns. As has been said, "there is no question a ban on guns will save more lives than it ends."



If you believe this, you're wrong. It is that simple.

And if you were anywhere near as smart as you like to pretend to be, you wouldn't resort to histrionics and fallacy to prop up a factually incorrect belief that clearly demonstrates that the "genius" gets her ideas from drooling at FOX News.

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