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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:47 pm  
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Perhaps it is characteristic of you that you completely miss the third option.

Drink the poisoned chalice all the way to the bottom.

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When I already have insecurities and don't like thinking about it. How does talking about it at length help anything? All it does is paint a clearer picture.


Because you must face your fears to overcome them. If you cannot do that, your fear will always rule you.

Nothing is more fearsome than the unknown. Once you know something well, it loses its power to terrify.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:03 pm  
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What you initially see as an asshole girls initially see as an alpha male. Turns out most of them are assholes, but because women think with their emotions they go for assholes.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:11 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
What you initially see as an asshole girls initially see as an alpha male. Turns out most of them are assholes, but because women think with their emotions they go for assholes.


This is only true if you date trashy American women and that is why it is best to give them a wide berth.

Nothing good will come of associating with people like that. Whether one is an asshole or just plays the part, it doesn't mean you're an "alpha male" (i.e., someone who engages life courageously and gets what they want), it just means you're a man acceptable to trashy women with horrible taste in men.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
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Said the beta.


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 Post subject: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:47 pm  
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Well, the girl I'm currently dating is a virgin and while I won't deny that has its own form of sex appeal, it's not the reason I'm with her nor does it really factor in to my pursuing her in any form beyond absolutely marginal.

I have twin boys, as everyone here is aware. It's such an odd situation, but we are each well aware of what it entails. Further complicating things, it's a long distance relationship. Her school is about 3 hours away, her home in New York is about 6-7 hours away.

We began talking without any intent of dating or becoming romantically involved, which is honestly why I believe we're each open to the idea of dating each other, despite our experience gap, age gap and distance gap. There's no questioning of either's motives. The attraction is real, and it's not strictly limited to physical attraction.

We're moving slowly physically for this same reason, though we've already discussed that if it were to happen soon, we each know each other well enough and are mature enough that it wouldn't change the dynamics of our relationship for the worse.

I'm driving back up on 1/25/2013. I told her early on when the subject first came up: "look, in the past I've been kind of a slut, but that's not who I am now. I understand if you don't want to pursue this further, but I'd prefer to leave it at that and let my present actions speak for themselves."

So far so good. She's an amazing woman.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:48 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Said the beta.


Is he? If we accept for a second that the alpha/beta categorization is anything but bullshit, all it takes to be "alpha" is a confrontational attitude and a sociopathic disregard for the perceptions of others.

That is Aestu 100% and I mean that in the best possible way.


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 Post subject: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:49 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Said the beta.


Aestu is correct. The term alpha male is generally very misunderstood. At its most primal level, it can be broken down to mean "charismatic leadership" and nothing more.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:55 pm  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
Usdk wrote:
Said the beta.


Is he? If we accept for a second that the alpha/beta categorization is anything but bullshit, all it takes to be "alpha" is a confrontational attitude and a sociopathic disregard for the perceptions of others. That is Aestu 100% and I mean that in the best possible way.


If Tuhl is right, I take it as nothing but a compliment, and if Usd is right, I don't give a damn.

Say I, or anyone, is a beta, what does that prove? What's the significance of that? Should someone who is seen as an alpha by trashy women feel better about themselves? Why?

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Well, the girl I'm currently dating is a virgin and while I won't deny that has its own form of sex appeal, it's not the reason I'm with her nor does it really factor in to my pursuing her in any form beyond absolutely marginal.


This isn't the same as the tent sex girl, I take it?

Again I would be cautious. Being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean she has self-respect - it can also mean that she's brittle, insecure and has emotional issues. Remember, women want sex too, and that she can't find a place for it in her life raises questions about her personality.

Please don't see this as pissing on your parade. I really want the best for you (and her). It's just that I remember you being upset a few months ago, then deciding to go it again. I don't believe I know you personally/emotionally well enough to understand all your emotional ins and outs, but perhaps a more fundamental re-examination is in order.


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 Post subject: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:00 pm  
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Alpha and asshole are not interchangeable in use. Nor are beta and decent guy.


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 Post subject: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:04 pm  
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I appreciate your concern, Aestu. I know you mean well. I think once feelings have developed mutually, you can't go backwards nor should you.

Risk is a part of life, and there's always risk where relationships exist. Maybe the feelings developed sooner than either myself or her would like, but I truly think calling things off or reevaluating would do more harm than good.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:07 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Alpha and asshole are not interchangeable in use. Nor are beta and decent guy.


Depends on what kind of women we're talking about.

A lot of American women are so demented that they are completely incapable of having relationships with not just nice but even decent guys. They perceive decency as a weakness because being skanks is the only game they know.

And it is easier for trashy women - who are insecure - to maintain relationships with jerks. If they cease to date a decent guy, whatever didn't work out is automatically their fault, because he's decent and well-intentioned and did his best. But if they break up with jerks then they can say it's his fault. And while the relationship endures they can flatter themselves they're "making it work" or they "tamed" him or some shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:14 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:35 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
I see your point Aestu, but I just don't see how knowing the play-by-play of my gfs past experiences helps at all. I struggle enough knowing she's had them...getting every intimate detail just doesn't seem like it would serve any purpose other than to piss me off.


Once you know, you know, take it or leave it. You can't very well have a relationship with someone with such stark red lines.

Besides, like I said, eventually someone else is going to be sticking their dick in that hole you're currently using, so what does it matter? You can come to grips with that or not. Again, your inability to do so corroborates my initial impression.

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'll say this, it's literally 1 other guy who has ever been past 2nd base, so it's not like she was some huge whore...which makes my insecurities even more absurd when you think about it.


2nd base? what the hell are you, 15?

If a girl says one, she means three; if she says three she means eight; if she says eight...and what does it matter anyway? You can only ever have sex with more people, not fewer, and you've got a ways to go yet. Whether she's had ten guys doing their thing in that orifice today, or in 20 years, what difference does it make?

Being a whore isn't a function of how often someone has sex, it's a function of their motivations and how they carry themselves. Holding sex over others makes you a whore whether you have sex or not, and explicitly selling sex doesn't make you a whore if you do so equivocally.


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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:57 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: Retroactive Jealousy
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:15 pm  
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I've had friends break up with guys because they're "too nice". This in turn generally turns the guys into douchebags. There are obviously exceptions to every rule, including this one. And it goes both ways.

A friend of mine was a total pain in the ass to guys. She was moody, indecisive, and generally kind of mean. Being insulting, doing stupid shit like pulling their leg hairs out and laughing hysterically, etc. Guys fucking worship this girl. I mean, she's had guys just give her thousands of dollars for random shit like learning to be a yoga instructor. Which she has never done anything with at all. One guy, who happened to be my ex (also the best friend of her abusive ex) and who couldn't stand her for a very long time, wasn't even fucking her and would drive an hour to come take her to school at 7am, so he'd get up at 5. And then he'd pick her up after. And he said *I* was crazy because we were long distance and I was pissed he would never talk to me. I ended up having to break up with him over e-mail. I held out for a few weeks, hoping I could at least tell him over the phone because I think e-mail/text breakups are a total pussy move, but that shit was retarded. And I am still faithful enough that since I ~technically~ had a boyfriend, I wouldn't be with anyone else. Even though it was obviously over.


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