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 Post subject: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:20 pm  
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http://www.wowhead.com/website-achievement=39

Breaks my heart, man. This is one thing that's wrong with gaming and people in general.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:43 pm  
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http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=182297


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:21 pm  
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i hate achievements. not so much the idea of them since they've existed forever, but what they've turned into.
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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:34 pm  
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Grimmgor wrote:
i hate achievements. not so much the idea of them since they've existed forever, but what they've turned into.


Yes - I enjoyed getting achievements...when getting them was fun or interesting. "Metagaming" has evolved into not even a game of its own but the opposite of a game, trying to pervert unfun activities into a parody of gaming.

I think Guild Wars 2 really represented rock bottom in this regards. Getting every vista and every event is, in theory, optional, except it's really not, because that completionism is the substance of the game, and unfortunately it just isn't very fun or deep. GW2 handled well, but the problem was that handling well by MMO standards doesn't mean the game is going to succeed as a Mario 64 clone.

WoW has the same problem. Achievements were fun when they were truly optional, in the sense that there were other things to do with the content. Ulduar was a study in how achievements SHOULD work. Apparently some people found the idea of socializing to achieve shared goals and having *real choices* on how to proceed thoroughly threatening, so thereafter they had one achievement per boss and one achievement for each boss. Non-raid content works pretty much the same way, it's touch-and-go grinding.

Wowhead though is a new level of fail. My reaction upon first seeing that achievement, what, three years ago, was pretty much the same as React's reaction now.

"If you don't see any trolls, you're not looking hard enough" is the logical corollary of the Bobby Kotick mentality: "But of course our customers are going to hate us".

The achievement was implemented at the same time Blizzard forced out Malgayne for Ashelia, in an effort to pander to girl gamers and tighten their grip on the community. *insert Princess Leia quote here*


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:14 pm  
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The way TF2 does achievements is the best I've seen in any game, really.

EDIT: There's also the Gun Runner's Challenges in New Vegas.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
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I did all the FNV achievements on one playthrough =D

A bit unfortunate doing so requires following Yes Man. But then again, I would anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
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I ended up running House from a practical standpoint. You're a jackass in a post-apocalyptic world, siding with the guy who will make sure you live like a king in your own personal tower and who has a robot army is probably your best bet in the wasteland.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:41 am  
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Because capitalists that are even bigger jackasses never rip up compensation agreements?

It's not your personal tower until you kill him and take it. As great Caesar said, "Si violandum ius, regnandi gratia."


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
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In the House ending it actually says that he lives up to his agreement and you live like a king on the strip for the rest of your days, but what do I know besides what the game literally told me?

Also, he's offering a comfortable life in a squalid, war-stricken wasteland. I imagine that and the steady stream of caps you're guaranteed would be more than enough for any neutral hired gun in a post-apocalyptic setting.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
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I know what the ending says, I'm looking at it from a non-deterministic point of view, mid-plot.

Caps and comfort is probably enough for most people, not for me, that's the difference between us.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:50 am  
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Please tell me there's one from Bleeding Hollow?

If not, we've done our job folks. I can now sleep well. After a few more beers.

I mean I'd still be happy if there was one from Bleeding Hollow. We'd have to take him down of course.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:44 pm  
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Mns wrote:
In the House ending it actually says that he lives up to his agreement and you live like a king on the strip for the rest of your days, but what do I know besides what the game literally told me?

Also, he's offering a comfortable life in a squalid, war-stricken wasteland. I imagine that and the steady stream of caps you're guaranteed would be more than enough for any neutral hired gun in a post-apocalyptic setting.


I don't know about you but I had more caps than I knew what to do with at the end.

Chalk it up to me being super greedy and sneaking out of the vault during Dead Money with every single gold bar.

I was about level 10 when that happened, it took me the rest of the playthrough to finally be able to sell it all.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
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I was the same way. Maybe I was roleplaying a little bit too serious, but House gives you the best possible option starting out. NCR's an imperialistic machine, Caesar's Legion is a bunch of loonies that is going to dissolve when Caesar dies from his brain tumor, and Yes Man offers anarchy.


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 Post subject: Re: Saw this and it made me think of Aestu
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If you activate the Securitron army (rather than destroying it), the Securitrons keep order after the battle for the dam. If you destroy the army, then there is anarchy. In the Independent ending, Yes Man says that he's going to "go away for a while" to reprogram himself to be "more assertive".

I don't believe that House offers all that good an option for the wasteland because I personally agree with Caesar: people, not gadgets, are the answer. House's belief that he can just buy his way to a better world, or that it isn't necessary to lay down rules for society, is foolish. You can't build your society on gambling then just mill that cash into space travel. What House is really describing is basically a capitalist North Korea, where there is no economic or scientific progress outside the Dear Leader's pet projects.

Caesar changed people; the Legion may fight amongst themselves but the ideas he brought back to life will live on, just as those same ideals always have. If House dies, his legacy will be as evanescent as any other dead capitalist.

I also looted the Sierra Madre Vault, but I didn't sell the gold. Instead, I made a little money pit on top of the Sink, and threw in some chips, coins, and currency for effect. After beating the game, in Aestu style, meaning getting as many perks as possible, speccing to nearly cap every stat without cheating (other than the two Dead Money exploits), acquiring each and every unique weapon, armor, and vanity item (e.g., three guitars, two copies of Scripture, all the imitation meat pies, pre-war steaks, and every other unique food item, as well as every mutilated body part and brahmin skull I could find), I spent about three hours neatly setting up the quarters in the sink.

Actually, I seem to have misplaced my best save file (think I accidentally cut instead of copied at some point). Some of the cosmetic stuff I did hasn't been done in my latest save.

Maybe I'm RPing too serious.


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If you've played Fallout 2, you'll realize the NCR is the best option.


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