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Abort that shit.

What if she were 27? Age doesn't make someone a good (or bad) parent. The desire to be a good parent is often the difference. The ability to reflect on your own actions and inaction as a central figure in a child's life.

If you don't want a child, how can you possibly have the child's best interests in mind at all times? If you don't want to be a parent at all, let alone a good parent, how would ones age have any bearing on the situation?

I think she should abort as well, or at the very least seriously consider the ramifications of being a parent (including the fathers involvement and projected involvement) and weigh the pros and cons of adoption. I'm just curious why a 17 year old who can be a good or atrocious parent should have the right to abort but not a 27 year old who can be a good or atrocious parent?

Brawlsack

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A lot of women choose not to abort not because of any ideological or moral opposition to abortion, but a a sense of fatalism about childbirth - "if it happens, it happens" - cross each bridge as one comes to it.

I am not saying I agree, or disagree; merely that the abortion issue is not so clear-cut. I'm simply not convinced that vacillating the religious/moral aspect of abortion would have any significant impact on the number of domestically compromised pregnancies brought to term.

This is much more often the case with low-class mothers. Inability to plan and low self-esteem go hand-in-hand; people with low self-esteem live in the moment and don't trust themselves to commit to long-term plans. Feeling besieged by a world they have no control over, they resort to fatalistic resignation.

My instinct is that this girl will react in such a way. She will choose to have the child because a low self-esteem person does not accept the concept of choice.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I don't want to sound mean, but I don't see how this or the previous reply helps the "Should doctors have noticed signs of pregnancy or asked questions about it" concern.

Edit: The abortion debate isn't necessary, nobody here is in favor of this girl having a baby at the age of 17.

You don't see how it helps your concern because it doesn't. Your concern was that unplanned pregnancy without the domestic and financial means to deal with it is a fearsome dilemma. Your dilemma is without context and therefore incomprehensible to one who wants for nothing.

Anyway, in answer to your concern, you must discover what happened between the girl and the doctor. Asking the girl is unlikely to yield a meaningful response; if she lied once, she will lie again. And you cannot ask the doctor what happened because that would be a violation of privacy law.

I would suggest you ask the physician, "What is your standard interview process with a female patient?" See if you can get documentation or procedural background to back up whatever answers he gives.

How does that sound to you, Xeoni?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

If you're wondering where I stopped reading your textual masturbation, it was here.

OK, you're not interested in help, you're just internet raging. Carry on.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I don't know if charges of malpractice would hold up. Gross oversight, lack of judgment, but I can see malpractice being iffy. Sorry for the abortion debate, I'll keep it in my pants next time.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

She's retarded for ;

1. not noticing she missed her period
2. not testing herself for pregnancy
3. getting pregnant at 17

You can re-arrange the order anyway you want.

Don't see how you could pin this on the doctor.

Because doctors are supposed to be responsible and children are not.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Yeah. Honestly, it's not the doctor's responsibility to "diagnose" her as pregnant. And which pill are you talking about? Plan B only works for 72 hours after unprotected sex, so she wouldn't have even missed a period by the time that window was shut, much less had morning sickness. If you're talking about the RU-486, that one works for 7 weeks. But if she was planning on aborting anyway, she should just do it. The RU-486 is expensive as shit and has all sorts of risks besides the usual that come with an abortion/miscarriage (hemorrhage, infection, etc.) It'd be cheaper and safer to just go to a clinic and have the abortion.

s^ | Kay

The same rules apply at 27. If she's not ready to have kids, she's not ready to have kids. The abortion is the least horrible of all the horrible options in most cases. I'm not a social conservative, I'm a "government interferes too much" conservative. The two generally do not get along, because social conservatives are only against government interfering unless government interferes in the way they like.

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This is what I was getting at. Basically I was pointing out that since the doctor isn't the one that impregnated her, he has no liability here. If it turned out she had cancer, he still wouldn't be liable. He would have just been wrong.

Since it sounds like she has decided on an abortion, it is still her financial burden to bear. Getting her on birth control would be a good idea too. I understand that you and her family want someone to blame, but the doctor isn't the one. Blame the sister and the guy she slept with.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible. Being young and pregnant is a scary thing.

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Totally blaming the sister and whatever dude she slept with. But yeah, if the doctor isn't supposed to check, then I don't blame him for a thing. Even if he was supposed to check, my next course of action wasn't to ask her family to sue, but instead to go back to tell the doc and ask for a good reference of where to go for the abortion. She's already been to a terrible clinic, the volunteer staff one, which, of course, is full of guilt tripping conservatives.

Kay, I guess I was referring to the 7 week pill because that's the # of weeks my gf told me she would have been able to use until. I just hope the reality is sinking in for this girl. Hopefully this will wake her up.

I would get a mechanical abortion over a chemical one any day, if I really had to choose. First, there's no guarantee the pill will take and you could end up with a severely fucked up child instead, because RU-486 is classified as an X Teratogen. It's also usually more expensive, you're not guaranteed to release all of the remnants, so sepsis is a lot more likely with it than in a mechanical abortion. Seriously. That doctor might have done this girl a favor by not diagnosing her sooner.

s^ | Kay