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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:21 pm  
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Callysta wrote:
Basically I was pointing out that since the doctor isn't the one that impregnated her, he has no liability here.


By that logic, a surgeon can't be culpable unless he ran over the patient or set him on fire.

Anyway, I did a bit of reading. To make a case for malpractice requires a pretty substantial degree of harm done. It is a slow and risky process since you may get stuck with the physician's legal bills (which are likely to be far, far higher than your own). I did find some malpractice cases where physicians had misdiagnosed complications of late-term pregnancies as flu-related. Obviously, that's a long way off from where you are.

So...no dice. If you really cared to know.


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 Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Doctor Liability?
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Aestu wrote:
Callysta wrote:
Basically I was pointing out that since the doctor isn't the one that impregnated her, he has no liability here.


By that logic, a surgeon can't be culpable unless he ran over the patient or set him on fire.

Anyway, I did a bit of reading. To make a case for malpractice requires a pretty substantial degree of harm done. It is a slow and risky process since you may get stuck with the physician's legal bills (which are likely to be far, far higher than your own). I did find some malpractice cases where physicians had misdiagnosed complications of late-term pregnancies as flu-related. Obviously, that's a long way off from where you are.

So...no dice. If you really cared to know.


That isn't even remotely what I mean. Not even close.

One visit to the doctor for flu-like symptoms doesn't mean the doctor is responsible for diagnosing a very early pregnancy. She likely didn't disclose all of her symptoms or told the doctor she wasn't having sex (either verbally or on the intake form). Whatever the cause, missing a pregnancy is VERY easy that early. Women menstruate once a month generally. If you are having sex and you are more than 3 days late, go take a test. A doctor has to have good information to properly diagnose a patient.

I don't get this culture of blaming everyone else. She got pregnant with the help of some other teenager. I'm just not getting how it is the doctor's fault. It's not like she came in 30 weeks along and he missed it :p

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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Just wanted to stop by and say that the last few times I walked into Wal-mart I seen around 10 people from my school and all of them had 2-4 kids and they looked incredibly miserable there.

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I don't get this culture of blaming everyone else.

That's what you get when you tell everyone they are a special snowflake and give them a blue ribbon for being last.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:35 pm  
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Callysta wrote:
One visit to the doctor for flu-like symptoms doesn't mean the doctor is responsible for diagnosing a very early pregnancy. She likely didn't disclose all of her symptoms or told the doctor she wasn't having sex (either verbally or on the intake form). Whatever the cause, missing a pregnancy is VERY easy that early. Women menstruate once a month generally. If you are having sex and you are more than 3 days late, go take a test. A doctor has to have good information to properly diagnose a patient.


Women menstruate once a month. Fascinating. You bring profound knowledge to the discussion.

You are making many assumptions. For one, you are assuming that the physician followed the appropriate interview process and that he was lied to. Probable, but not certain; physicians are human beings, some are good at their jobs and some are not, and they are as susceptible to lapses in judgement and professional conduct as everyone else.

Kay said that the formulaic phrasing is insinuative in nature. The purpose of insinuation, obviously, is to facilitate the diagnostic process by not exceeding the patient's comfort zone. The problem is that this girl may well in fact be of significantly below average intelligence and simply didn't understand the question. The girl is a refugee from Sierra Leone. Many people from extremely disturbed backgrounds suffer a sort of permanent developmental delay and never develop normal intelligence or personal functioning (spend time dealing with Hmong immigrants and you will see what I mean).

It's been said she has an abusive foster family. This is something I see a lot. The sad truth is that many people adopt not because they want to do good but because they are emotionally damaged and cannot handle normal family life. They approach the rearing of children as one would approach the adoption of a stray from the pound because they do it for the same reasons: narcissism and a craving for novelty. And as with a puppy picked up by an irresponsible family, once it stops being novel and cute it gets neglected and kicked whenever it's in the way.

My point is that you are way out of line expecting a not-too-bright child who has never had any part of the world on her side to trust someone she does not know implicitly and behave as if she is a responsible adult.

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I don't get this culture of blaming everyone else. She got pregnant with the help of some other teenager. I'm just not getting how it is the doctor's fault. It's not like she came in 30 weeks along and he missed it :p


Blaming everyone else. The implication being, that the girl in question is not "somebody" and that this one physician who is under examination (short of being blamed) is "everybody".

You know, if you were really the MENSA material you like to pretend to be, you wouldn't make fallacies that don't for a moment pass the analytical capacity of anyone of normal intelligence. So why do you pretend to posses exceptional IQ when it's completely obvious you don't? You aren't really fooling anyone.

You do it because the mistruth makes life easier for you. You find it easier to get up in the morning if you have a good story you can fool at least yourself with.

Just like that girl. She has the same basic thing going on you do. Quite likely she doesn't feel she can handle life, so she says what she would prefer to be true. It doesn't really fool anyone, but short of having you sit for the S/B or testing her piss, can anyone in a professional setting really say it's not so?

Perhaps you should look to yourself, your life, your problems (or relative paucity thereof), before making such unequivocal judgments as to how others deal with what is on their plate.


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:50 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
Just wanted to stop by and say that the last few times I walked into Wal-mart I seen around 10 people from my school and all of them had 2-4 kids and they looked incredibly miserable there.


I see this a lot too in low-class communities. Case study in what I described earlier. The ethical debate surrounding abortion has nothing to do with the lack of family planning in many communities.

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That's what you get when you tell everyone they are a special snowflake and give them a blue ribbon for being last.


Uh huh. And where do you fit in? Special or not special? Last to first or first to last?

For someone who styles themselves elite while conspicuously avoiding any real challenge in any realm (be it gaming, intellectual development, financial management or life planning) and benefits from various forms of entitlement (parents, labor unions, etc) while loudly insisting that any man who can't face life one-on-one is a crybaby, you sure find it easy to dismiss others' right to a sense of pride.

Is it because it bothers you that, unlike you, some people have the courage to make peace with their shortcomings?


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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in before dick waving.....

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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That's not what this is.


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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Way to late to do an "in before," this whole thread is the result of a dick having been waved around (and someone catching it).

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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Jubbergun wrote:
Way to late to do an "in before," this whole thread is the result of a dick having been waved around (and someone catching it).

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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Jubbergun wrote:
Way to late to do an "in before," this whole thread is the result of a dick having been waved around (and someone catching it).


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Liability?
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Kayllaira wrote:
in before pie


Pie is a terrible euphemism for vagina, and I prefer taco, as in "can I stuff your taco full of sausage?"

However, still too late, since the pie is what was used to catch the waving dick.

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