Callysta wrote:
40 weeks is a looooong time. How someone doesn't have their mind made up after a few months boggles my mind.
Once that baby becomes legitimately able to survive outside of the womb (usually around 32ish weeks)
I agree, partial birth abortion is disgusting. I think it's not a "my mind isn't made up" - but it could be an issue of funds, circumstances, and any other number of things. I wonder if some of these women had been given access earlier, and had their options more clearly laid out...if they still would have waited as long.
Considering states that make women listen to the heart beat and look at it before any abortion...it's like they want to make it more agonizing. It's pretty cruel, really.
Callysta wrote:
you should go ahead and give birth and give it a shot on its own with an adoptive family. Partial birth abortion is almost identical to labor anyway. The difference being allowing the baby a chance with someone else.
There's always this sentiment that giving a baby up for adoption is the magical solution. In reality, adoption in this country is bogged down with inefficiencies, hypocrisies, and other various issues.
I know for a fact the waiting list for an adoption is absurd, and it's not for a lack of adoptable babies. I know adoption is also INCREDIBLY expensive (for reasons I don't understand). I know that if a child is not adopted as a baby, then its chances of ever finding a home drop dramatically (far fewer people want young children). I know the foster care system in this country is broken. I know horrible things happen to many kids who were given up for adoption.
Ever wonder why adopting foreign born kids has become so common place? Yes, part is because Brad Pitt did it. But the other part is that it's in many ways EASIER than adopting an American child (depending on the country of course).
So yes, adoption is all well and good...but it's not the silver bullet many might claim it to be.
Usdk wrote:
Question for you though: At what point should people be forced to pay for their own irresponsibility?
So, in your mind, is being forced to have the child making them "pay for their own irresponsibility"? Seems pretty bad to use a child to punish the mother. Surely not a good way to have a stable child growing up healthy... if it's being resented by its mother the whole time. That's one way to increase the number of criminals and drags on society. Force kids to grow up in broken homes to punish their mothers for being too loose. Or are you implying something else? I think late, partial birth abortions are abhorrent and disgusting. They should remain illegal. However, we need to make abortions more readily available to people earlier in term...and make contraceptives more available to prevent abortions being needed at all.
If you're saying "oh well people shouldn't be having sex then if they can't handle the baby or wrap it up" -- I agree with you. But here's the thing. We can't stop it. Society can't stop it. Abstinence education does NOT work. If you are poor and living in the hood, odds are you'll lose your virginity at a younger age than average. Odds are you won't be educated about birth control and safe sex, nor have the funds to afford such things (condoms are actually pretty expensive, birth control is absurd).
So what's the solution? Make it much easier to obtain. Let's reduce abortions by increasing funding for birth control. Not crying foul when we want to include it as part of insurance policies.