Fantastique wrote:
It's pretty simple, Housies (and Republicans in general): If you want to change healthcare, get elected. No seriously. Get your asses elected. If you think your solution to this problem is so much better, then take the presidency, take the senate, and take the house. Majorities in all. Super majorities if you want! You say the American people don't want Obamacare. So I suppose he didn't win reelection and the democrats didn't keep the senate. Oh wait...
They did get elected. Now you're bitching because they're exercising the power of their office. President Obama's re-election wasn't a referendum on the ACA, especially since he did everything he could during the election to avoid the issue. You can't make the "elections matter" argument in a vacuum. President Obama won his last election, but so did all those guys sitting in the House and Senate you're bitching about right now, and the people that elected them did so to repeal the ACA.
Fantastique wrote:
Don't attach stupid things to the funding of the government just to get what YOU want.
Sorry, that's politics. Why do you think all our bills are novels of stupidity with wholly unrelated riders?
Fantastique wrote:
And I really don't want to hear "yeah but you dems do it all the time", don't waste my time. I mean, are you telling me that you guys WANT to be similar to the party that you hate so much? You're THAT dumb?
You can't really make the "moral high ground" argument against trying to repeal the ACA. There wouldn't be an ACA to repeal if it hadn't been passed strictly along party lines using procedures (reconciliation) to avoid the vote that should have been taken on it in the Senate.
Fantastique wrote:
That's not how it's done. Obamacare is law, a constitutional law.
The Debt Ceiling is a law, too. So is all the Patriot Act bullshit that lets the NSA do their little secret court bullshit. If we can't change or repeal the ACA because "it's the law," then we can't raise the Debt Ceiling, because it's the law, too. We can't repeal the Patriot Act, because it's the law.
Fantastique wrote:
The majority of the people in this country want it.
Three out of the last four polls I saw showed anywhere from 47% to 58% opposition to the ACA. The one that showed a slight margin in favor of the law was from a polling group I'd never heard of before that I saw that poll.
Fantastique wrote:
It's how Obama is still in office.
President Obama is still in office because Mitt Romney was a terrible fucking candidate, the "republicans are going to take away your birth control/abortion" "war on women" scare tactics, and to some degree because the IRS held up tax status approvals for conservative groups while rubber stamping all but a few liberal groups. If it had been a straight referendum on the ACA, we'd be looking at Mitt Romney's creepy Stepford Smile on the news right now.
Fantastique wrote:
It's how we still have the Senate. If it fails, we only have ourselves to blame. If it succeeds, well.. just don't be a conservative near me! I'll have too much fun.
Fair enough.
Fantastique wrote:
But fund the damn government. Do your jobs. Ty.
/end rant
PS I forget which politician made the point about getting elected if you want things to change, but it was a good point. I'm just reiterating it here, with a little flair.
We wouldn't be bitching about the Continuing Resolution nonsense if the senate could pass a fucking budget. Harry Reid hasn't gotten a budget out of his chamber in over four years, and in a few of those years he didn't even bother to try because he didn't want members of his caucus to have to answer for their votes during elections. You might not like the budgets the House have passed. You might think it's bullshit that they're using the power of the purse (which, if you read the Constitution is the where the House's power lies) to achieve their policy goals. What you can't honestly do is bitch about republicans when budgets aren't being passed when they're passing a budget and the senate hasn't passed one in years.
Your Pal,
Jubber