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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:08 am  
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that's understandable.

though i woudln't check internet forums at work.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:42 am  
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Usdk wrote:
that's understandable.

though i woudln't check internet forums at work.

Let's not be crazy.
I rarely check or post on the forums when I am at home...as I am playing that whole time.
My most active forum time is when I am at work or traveling via the blackberry.

If people weren't checking and posting on these forums during work, this would be a ghost town
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:01 am  
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Henq makes some quite valid points. While my initial reaction was "somebody needs to get over it", and while I think it demonstrates oversensitivity to be offended by something that is meant to be a finger in the eye to Blizzard, I also think that the Mods can show that we really do want others to join this forum by simply changing this title. Since you guys are the ones who set this up for people to be able to say what they want, you must be thinking, "First, they'll want us to change this, then they'll whine about something else." But, I don't think that will be the case.

On the other hand, what is going to be the stance on posts that include words like c u n t, n i g g e r, s p i c, w o p, m i c k, h o n k y, f a g g o t, c h ink, s l o p e, f r o g, k i k e or the myriad other words that might offend someone? Are you offended by any of those words? Do you expect me to change my post because you don't like what I typed? And, if these words offend you, where's the line?

I agree with Heng that the titles of the mods should be changed, but I don't think any words should be targeted. Moderators can choose to act on items they feel are personal attacks, threats, whatever, but words don't cease to exist simply because they offend. Too many restrictions is the reason this board exists. You don't have to agree with anything someone says to agree with their right to say it. You have a right not to read it, not to respond to it, to disagree, or to agree.

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Henqetnetjer wrote:
Using the word "faggot" as a title attached to every post that a handful of people make WILL offend some people. So right there you are cutting out a certain amount of patronage to the forums.

I don't want people that easily offended coming here. One of the main points of FUBU is so people can post (basically) whatever they want. Even the filters are there strictly for humor purposes. Not to mention people who refuse to come to a site because of a simple word are probably part of the problem on BH's overzealous moderation anyways.
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The only purpose the title serves, is to offend people...where as something like...I don't know..."moderator" offends no one.

"Faggot" is used purely in jest here. There's a world of difference between calling one of your friends a "fag" and staring a gay dude right in the eyes and saying 'I'm gonna beat the shit out of you, faggot.".

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Those that are offended by it with simply not join the forum.

I can't give less than a shit about what Muerte does. I start caring when he starts getting my completely civil threads nuked and making posting about this site a bannable offense (iirc, 2 people have been banned so far in posting links to FUBU). It's only a word and making it a personal crusade to thoroughly piss in the wheaties of people that use it without a serious tone, i think, is more detrimental than the original use of the word itself (so long as said word isn't used against the group its intended for in an offensive manner).
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But I would be incredibly hypocritical if I posted here with that tag. If there is a way to change just my title that would be great, if not, then please feel free to demote me to "New Guy" or whatever it is that the general community posts as.

Sorry for the TLDR.

We'll talk about this.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:07 am  
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Boredalt wrote:
Henq makes some quite valid points. While my initial reaction was "somebody needs to get over it", and while I think it demonstrates oversensitivity to be offended by something that is meant to be a finger in the eye to Blizzard, I also think that the Mods can show that we really do want others to join this forum by simply changing this title. Since you guys are the ones who set this up for people to be able to say what they want, you must be thinking, "First, they'll want us to change this, then they'll whine about something else." But, I don't think that will be the case.

On the other hand, what is going to be the stance on posts that include words like c u n t, n i g g e r, s p i c, w o p, m i c k, h o n k y, f a g g o t, c h ink, s l o p e, f r o g, k i k e or the myriad other words that might offend someone? Are you offended by any of those words? Do you expect me to change my post because you don't like what I typed? And, if these words offend you, where's the line?

I agree with Heng that the titles of the mods should be changed, but I don't think any words should be targeted. Moderators can choose to act on items they feel are personal attacks, threats, whatever, but words don't cease to exist simply because they offend. Too many restrictions is the reason this board exists. You don't have to agree with anything someone says to agree with their right to say it. You have a right not to read it, not to respond to it, to disagree, or to agree.

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I am totally on board with that.
IMO posting those words in your thread or reply is your decision. It is choice to type words like that and convey whatever meaning you wish. You also have to deal with the negative consequence that might come from a post like that...in the same way that you would deal with the humor that people may find in your post.

I do not, at all, think that those words should be flagged or moderated in individual posts. I do think it is unfair to essentially force it into every post I make because of my role on the forums.
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On the other hand, what is going to be the stance on posts that include words like c u n t, n i g g e r, s p i c, w o p, m i c k, h o n k y, f a g g o t, c h ink, s l o p e, f r o g, k i k e or the myriad other words that might offend someone? Are you offended by any of those words? Do you expect me to change my post because you don't like what I typed? And, if these words offend you, where's the line?

The official stance on them is that they're currently free game unless people start complaining about their use. Once I get complaints, I'll bring it up to a vote and the community is to decide.

I said this in the FUBU creation thread and I'll say it again, the rules of this board are created by the community, whereas the mods only enforce said rules. The only exception to this clause is Rule #1, which is the no forum alts rule.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:23 am  
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http://bucketguild.com/phpbb2/viewtopic ... 0446#60446

EDIT: to promote discussion in that thread and not here, I'm going to lock this one, as I'm seeing a bunch of threads in here that should be in the Meta Discussion forum.


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