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Aestu in jail? Misdemeanor...I'm guessing pot, or disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

It's unfortunate you feel you can't be friendly with people Aestu, but I think this certainly explains your history with guilds and communities in WoW.

Don't you get lonely though, and wish for close friendships? You could change how you behave...sure having unloving parents can make you afraid of getting close to people (because those you are supposed to love and be closest too alienated you), but that doesn't mean it always has to be that way.

While people are a product of their environment in many ways, I hold the fundamental belief that people can change if they put in the effort.


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I'd like to hear more stories, Aestu.
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Eturnalshift wrote:
I'd like to hear more stories, Aestu.


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Azelma wrote:
Aestu in jail? Misdemeanor...I'm guessing pot, or disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

It's unfortunate you feel you can't be friendly with people Aestu, but I think this certainly explains your history with guilds and communities in WoW.

Don't you get lonely though, and wish for close friendships? You could change how you behave...sure having unloving parents can make you afraid of getting close to people (because those you are supposed to love and be closest too alienated you), but that doesn't mean it always has to be that way.

While people are a product of their environment in many ways, I hold the fundamental belief that people can change if they put in the effort.


Pot? Are you high?

My parents weren't unloving per se. They were inconsistent and would do things at cross purposes. They were 100% unsupportive. I remember, when I was a small child - about eight - I got the idea of putting up a lemonade stand using lemons we had hanging on a tree. My mother said it was a stupid idea and not to do it. We lived in peaceful suburbs and it was a hot summer. She bitched about it until I yelled at her to shut up and went and did it anyway.

A bunch of college kids and yuppies came by and bought lemonade for their girlfriends, every 15 minutes or so. I made about a hundred bucks.

Next school year, the Roris ("RoseIris") catalogue was passed around. I bought many rhizomes, enough to qualify for the highest tier of discount, pooling with a friend. I planted them and cultivated them for years. Every two years I dug them up and split them in two, endlessly selling off the budded plants for ten bucks each. This was a huge cash cow. I bought a computer.

Some years later, I attended a summer camp. There was an argument where one parent said, "Well, my son looked me in the eye and said Ethan did it, and he never lies to me." My mother replied, "I'm sorry." He was lying.

My parents never miss an opportunity to second-guess or actively undermine me. A lot of my headstrong and what comes off as arrogant nature is driven by being accustomed to being right when I'm told I'm wrong. Whether it's my parents, or a bureaucrat, or a dumb boss, or some retarded pug, it's a constant in my life. I keep to myself.

I'm still supported by them because I don't want to take on a student debt, but I never call them or talk to them.

My mother mails me home-baked muffins occasionally. She also said, "you'll be dead by thirty." She also tells me how much she believes in me; my father is convinced I'll be a billionaire one day. He also tells me I should pursue a career as a public servant, as it's a safe occupation for eccentrics who can't work in offices. Once, I gave my younger brother a pack of smokes as a gag present for his 18th birthday. Accusingly, he asked me, "Where did you get that?!?" "The store, you fucking retard. Go beach yourself like a whale in front of the fan".

I held onto the muffins for six months, too spiteful to eat them. I then mailed the moldy globs back.

Sorting out reality from pretense is something I've learned to do the hard way. I also understand well the irrationality of human nature.

There's a small part of me that seeks friendship - but I don't find solitude uncomfortable or really unsettling the way most people do. The discomfort others feel about watching others suffer, or the love they feel for their kin or significant others, or how they mind solitude, or desperately need friends, has no place in my psychology.

If I were alone on an island, I would never freak out the way the protagonist of "Cast Away" does, like most people in that situation. My brother once commented it would be like more like Robinson Crusoe.

I am very aloof. I feel fine this way, and I believe it helps me see the world more clearly.


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Do you attribute your introversion to your relationship with your parents growing up?
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You shoudl watch Dexter....he's totally you (although, I don't think you're a serial killer).

Also, check out the story time thread as this thread is supposed to be about Islam or something.


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Eturnalshift wrote:
Do you attribute your introversion to your relationship with your parents growing up?

Not really. I think it's largely inborn. I think they made it much worse, however, and gave me that personality trait that I tend to get very nervous at people being friendly and misread it as hostility.

I am physically fairly handsome (I do not own a camera because I have no reason to), but I was born with a cleft palate. Like I said, I do not bear the sort of physical deformities associated with that defect - you would never guess unless I told you - but it lives on in my personality, and some foods still bother my palate. People born that way tend to become very cynical and aloof people for reasons that are not well understood and probably have to do with postnatal suffocation.

I guess I'm kind of like Bernard Marx.


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I think it's largely inborn. I think they made it much worse, however, and gave me that personality trait that I tend to get very nervous at people being friendly and misread it as hostility.
So you misread my hostility as being frens!? <3 The reason I asked the question before is it sounds like, after a long time, your parents have come around and are more supportive of you and your decisions but you seem reluctant to accept that. (I gather that from your story about the muffins, anyways.) How come? I find it interesting that, if I'm reading this right, they're trying to mend a relationship with you and you seem to want no part of that.
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I think it's largely inborn. I think they made it much worse, however, and gave me that personality trait that I tend to get very nervous at people being friendly and misread it as hostility.
So you misread my hostility as being frens!? <3 The reason I asked the question before is it sounds like, after a long time, your parents have come around and are more supportive of you and your decisions but you seem reluctant to accept that. (I gather that from your story about the muffins, anyways.) How come? I find it interesting that, if I'm reading this right, they're trying to mend a relationship with you and you seem to want no part of that.


They do things at cross purposes. They send me muffins but say things so atrocious you wouldn't imagine anyone could say them to their son. They have a high opinion of my intelligence but second guess me constantly and treat me like an idiot. They claim to believe I have great life ahead of me but always sell me short. They say they are supportive but then don't do easy things. They refused to sign me up for AP tests in high school "because they would say no for no good reason". I get a job and they give me a hundred reasons I should quit it. They refused to take me home from the train station over an argument, insist I won't get fired because I can't finish my commute, then give me excuses that there was something else happening when I get fired because I didn't show up.

They pay the bills, that's about it.

Eventually I realized they were more interested in making the argument they are good parents than being good parents.


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All religion will fade out eventually IMO, although never completely i would think that in a few hundred years it, and many other religions will be shadows of their former self. while new ones, or other similar things may rise to replace it (scientology! lol). It wont last forever, especially in the radical forms it is used in part for now.


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This discussion will be rendered moot by the coming Zombie Apocalypse.


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Henqetnetjer wrote:
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Lief are you danish?
If so

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ja! jeg kører Danske. my druid's name is Leiferikson because i am direct descendant. are you of scandinavian descent?

also, i hope o/ means "huzzah!" and not, "fuck you!"


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ja! jeg kører Danske. my druid's name is Leiferikson because i am direct descendant. are you of scandinavian descent?

also, i hope o/ means "huzzah!" and not, "tickle you!"


That's the high five sign man and it can only be concluded by

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Aestu wrote:
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I think it's largely inborn. I think they made it much worse, however, and gave me that personality trait that I tend to get very nervous at people being friendly and misread it as hostility.
So you misread my hostility as being frens!? <3 The reason I asked the question before is it sounds like, after a long time, your parents have come around and are more supportive of you and your decisions but you seem reluctant to accept that. (I gather that from your story about the muffins, anyways.) How come? I find it interesting that, if I'm reading this right, they're trying to mend a relationship with you and you seem to want no part of that.


They do things at cross purposes. They send me muffins but say things so atrocious you wouldn't imagine anyone could say them to their son. They have a high opinion of my intelligence but second guess me constantly and treat me like an idiot. They claim to believe I have great life ahead of me but always sell me short. They say they are supportive but then don't do easy things. They refused to sign me up for AP tests in high school "because they would say no for no good reason". I get a job and they give me a hundred reasons I should quit it. They refused to take me home from the train station over an argument, insist I won't get fired because I can't finish my commute, then give me excuses that there was something else happening when I get fired because I didn't show up.

They pay the bills, that's about it.

Eventually I realized they were more interested in making the argument they are good parents than being good parents.


my mom's the same way. throughout my life, any planned undertaking i had was demoralized, or pessimistically torn apart, bit by semantic bit. i took the opposite route though, and distanced myself as much as possible. went to college solely on loans, 3 jobs, joined the Army to pay them off. every once in a while she'll call me sobbing wondering why one of my younger brothers (i have three) said some horrible thing to her. at first i would become angry thinking, "do you remember the shit YOU said to US? or the time you stabbed me with a fork for not liking broccoli?" but then i began to see that she, and most adults of her generation, are nothing more than pathetic, quivering, masses of complexes. some people were just never meant to have children. what that makes of OUR existence, i don't know, but i would advise you to cut those ties Aestu, as you seem like a monumentally intelligent, just not earthbound individual. it would be a terrible waste for you to become so lost in your aloofness that you never find your way out.

tldr; you can't mail those loans back when they get moldy.


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Henqetnetjer wrote:
Dotzilla wrote:

ja! jeg kører Danske. my druid's name is Leiferikson because i am direct descendant. are you of scandinavian descent?

also, i hope o/ means "huzzah!" and not, "tickle you!"


That's the high five sign man and it can only be concluded by

\o


\o GO DANES


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