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I'm trying to defend the side that results in the least moderation possible, because the purpose of this experiment is to specifically NOT be the official forums. Obviously someone who's being totally serious when he/she spouts hate speech is going to get shitcanned, but I support levity to the extent that it allows people to let off steam, sometimes by using shameful words.

I will back the decision that has a majority of votes, regardless of whether I like it.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

The idea that one can only let off steam by using "shameful words" is a horrible implication to make. To think that I can only adequately let someone know that I am upset by insulting entire blocks of people is perhaps in some cases more shameful than the words used (note: some, not all).

In regards to your point of this not being the forums backed by Blizzard Entertainment is a moot point in my eyes since for me coming here was not to escape moderation, but to escape poor moderation. Most of us weren't banned for the language we used, but because some spellpower-stacking hunter was upset that their poor, in-game choices were made public. If someone was banned because they threw racial epithets around, I would hope that they wouldn't come here for sanctuary against being called out on their poor idealogue. Most of us, however, were banned for other reasons, whether they were "trolling" or for having posts filled with shift-characters.

Additionally, backing a decision simply because it is the majority is problematic in itself since the majority is not always right. Keep in mind that in several states a referendum has passed to repeal legislature that allowed for gay couples to be married. Hell, even if you look at presidents, the fact that a majority/plurality voted for Bush43, Bush41 and Reagan doesn't make them any less than the puppets of special-interest groups. I will refuse to acknowledge a decision made by a majority if the majority made a poor decision.

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sunshine.kittens.bubblegum.happythoughts

Plenty of people got banned for so-called "vulgar language" even if it was just common stuff like shit and fuck. I concede that the kind of person who throws race and lifestyle hatred around casually isn't the kind of poster we want frequenting these boards, but that's why moderators exist in the first place. At the same time, people with paper-thin skin are the ones who mass-reported us in the first place, and they've got no place here either.

In regards to my stance regarding popular vote, I'm bound by it because this is a FUBU and I'm a moderator. What the people want is what goes, and intentionally going against it from a position of power makes me the tyrant we're trying to stay the hell away from.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

With the idea of you being in a position of power within the power-strata that these boards have created, how you got to that position actually allows for you to make bold decisions. Had you been elected by a popular vote, you would be bound by the platform you proposed, however, you were handpicked by the even higher authority, mayonaise. Since no one elected you to this position while under the impression that you would or would not act in a certain way, I feel that it is safe to say that you do not have to abide by the majority and if they are flawed, you can rectify their mistakes as you please.

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sunshine.kittens.bubblegum.happythoughts

Just to add a quick note on this thought.
Every post that moderators make, they are "casually" throwing that lifestyle hatred around. It's automatic without even trying and without intending to do so. This is why I wanted it disassociated with myself.

Just as a rule of thumb, the moderators are only here to enforce the rules that the community decides on.

Currently, there are only 2 rules and more will be added as our community has skyrocketed. As we become more developed, you should see mods being more active (not to mention the first mod elections are coming up in a week or two).

Every moderator, including myself, is liable to the community.

RETIRED.
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Mayonaise[/armory]
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Jerkonaise[/armory]

Couldn't disagree more with Rikki and Henq but whatever.

Make a rule and stick to it. Whatever you decide will be better than Blizzard throwing darts blindfolded.

While I agree generally with Rikki's views, I think trying to moderate slurs on an internet forum is not going to be very successful. However, if we want these forums to be open to everyone who wants to come, we shouldn't institutionalize the slurs (in the form of the moderator titles), even if there's a tradition among certain members of the community. Moderators in the Bucket part of forum can of course call themselves whatever they want, but I don't see why that would apply to these forums which just happen to be hosted here.

I agree with this. If a word is so terrible that others shouldn't say it, it's too terrible to say yourself, otherwise you're just sending the message that it's really not that bad, and we're just jerking you around to see if you're enough of a bitch to do what you're told.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

not a fan of slurs or censorship, tough call.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

This debate just blows my mind.
The argument is not FOR censorship, no one likes, or wants that.

Everyone (or a majority) seems to agree that using the word in question shouldn't be done in a casual public situation meant in a derogatory way.

By setting the moderator titles to that word, you are basically typing that word into every reply and into every thread. Thus you are doing it "casually" and "publicly".

You are using it as a joke or dig at normal forum moderators or in an homage the tyranny of moderation that the official realm forums had. Either way you are using it as a joke-insult to the moderators. So you are obviously using it in a derogatory way.

How the fuck is it such a big deal to change the title of two people? This is ridiculous. Change it to "douche bag" if you want to keep the insult side. Change it to "Blizzard employee" or "GC" if you want to keep the joke side, I don't know.

This stalwart and ignorant "We need to maintain the sanctity and ideology of how these boards were created" is fucking nonsense. You are being overly stubborn about this when there is no reason to be.

Change it and end this fucking debate. No "faggot" in the mod titles, no censorship in normal posts. Holy shit

just an fyi:
they aren't funny: lol
they aren't funny: haha
they aren't funny: smirk.

They are funny: huh? What smells funny?

purpose not achieved

you filter the word shit but you dont filter the word in your mod title. cuh ray zee. I interpret that as vindictive towards that particular type of person.

I don't like Mayonnaise. I think he's a complete asshole and the worst possible moderator for these forums. I'm allowed to say this because nothing is censored here.

muerte, perhaps censorship was too strong a word. I apologize. And for the record, my girlfriend and children are biracial, and I despise racism...so I can identify to an extent.

The Assholes, The Jerkfaces, etc, all of these would suffice as decent moderator names...could even allow mods to come up with their own unique posting rank if these forums allow for that.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

I use slurs almost every day. I call my friends fags (and they call me a fag back) and we occasionally toss around the word kike. Hell, I called tuhl a shitnigger when I was talking to him about some FUBU stuff and he called me fagballs.

For the record, I have gay friends (and was even nannied by a gay man for a couple years), have a "black mother" (really long story) while mentoring a black autistic kid so long he's basically my brother, and I'm half jewish.

It isn't whether or not you say the words, its all in the context. Of course I wouldn't call a gay dude a faggot unless I cleared it with him first, but there's absolutely no problem with kicking these words around so long as you aren't doing it as a direct insult to a person of that race.

RETIRED.
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Mayonaise[/armory]
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Jerkonaise[/armory]

so what you're saying is you're a bigot but that's ok because its funny to you. and you have gay and black friends who told you its ok to spit slurs out all the time. got it.

I don't like Mayonnaise. I think he's a complete asshole and the worst possible moderator for these forums. I'm allowed to say this because nothing is censored here.