kumori wrote:
Success in pve accomplishments doesn't make a guild great. When the guild's environment is unpleasant and suffers, there is no guarantee that people will endure it and that the guild will be there tomorrow. Then all of that success will be for naught.
Wrong.
Greatness is manifest in deed.
If you want a social guild, then fine, whatever, say you're having fun, or enjoying each other's company, or messing around playing the game.
You're not "great" though.
Most guild drama is driven by failure. So long as there's a clear road forward and people aren't failing, there's seldom drama. Most - not all. It's still true more often than not. When things don't go as they should, or someone isn't doing their thing, that's when people start to turn around and blame each other, and drama is the result.
But if what you have is a bunch of buddies sitting around saying they have a "great" guild with a "core that is held back", that corroborates my initial statement, that what they had, was a support group for bads, who tell each other they're awesome but somehow have nothing to show for it.
This was the "distinction that is lost" on Kaldoreii and others.
