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bawww, but i actually used mah big kid gramar and spelling book thing....and mah brain


and 80-90% of it was all filler and fluff.

hang a right at your "unless perhaps".


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Banning DDT did more to harm people in third world countries than it did to save the environment...especially since the book, Silent Spring, exaggerated the claims of damage. While banning DDT in industrialized countries was likely a necessary step, banning it in Africa was a boneheaded move that allowed the unchecked spread of malaria and other diseases spread by insect pests like mosquitoes.

DDT was never banned for use in mosquito control - it's still used for that purpose in Africa. Banning its use in agriculture was actually beneficial, as blanket spraying for crop pests in some countries had already resulted in DDT-resistant mosquitoes, and probably would have in Africa too if it hadn't been banned for that purpose.

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Everything degrades, even if it doesn't "bio"degrade. It just takes some things longer than others. Plastic is still superior to glass because it doesn't break and cut the hell out of your children. Not to mention that methods to recycle both glass and plastic have been developed that reduce the amount of both kinds of waste.

On the other hand, glass doesn't form enormous floating patches in the middle of the ocean.

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As certain types of fish become more scarce, the price for them goes up. As the price goes up, more people are priced out of eating it. At a certain point, fishing it becomes unprofitable. Other types of fish take the place of the overfished populations, and the damaged populations have an opportunity to recover.

Neither economics nor ecosystems necessarily work like this. Technological advances have made it possible to catch more and more of shrinking populations, meaning that scarcity of the resource doesn't increase prices until it's too late. Populations also can't always recover after overfishing. The fishery for Atlantic cod in Canada has been closed since 1993, but the populations aren't growing. The ecosystem has shifted to a new equilibrium, with very few cod where they were once abundant.
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cziiki wrote:
Main point saying "people have never learned to apply the learning experience of prior errors to future risks", thats gibberish because nothing new is equal to something old. So there is no telling what could happen with any given idea in any given situation.


We should learn to be cautious. Nothing more, nothing less.

And Jubbergun, I'm not going to create a wall of text describing reality in response to contrarian rhetorical nonsense.


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Aestu wrote:
contrarian rhetorical nonsense.


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At least til that last part about everyone going Chicken Little. I was serious about that.


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If life was artificially created, doesn't that officially debunk that whole religion thing?


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Mayonaise wrote:
If life was artificially created, doesn't that officially debunk that whole religion thing?


what is life without purpose?


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If life was artificially created, doesn't that officially debunk that whole religion thing?


what is life without purpose?


All life has a purpose: to survive to adulthood and further the species.


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Tehra wrote:
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If life was artificially created, doesn't that officially debunk that whole religion thing?


what is life without purpose?


Who says life has purpose? No one knows if it does, religion is a placebo for people who can't deal with it.


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If life was artificially created, doesn't that officially debunk that whole religion thing?


what is life without purpose?


All life has a purpose: to survive to adulthood and further the species.


That's a survival instinct, hard programmed.

Tread in the land of the variables.


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Mayonaise wrote:
If life was artificially created, doesn't that officially debunk that whole religion thing?


what is life without purpose?


Who says life has purpose? No one knows if it does, religion is a placebo for people who can't deal with it.


What scares you more? That it doesn't, and you're in a land of chaos, or that it does, and you're astray?


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Meh religion isn't really a crutch for creation as much as a set of morals and lessons surrounded by tales of an individual who supposedly had beyond mortal powers.

It's a book of morals, nothing more nothing less, read into any of the scriptures enough and you'll find some idea behind it that guided individuals.

But yeah the creation of artificial life will debunk quite a few forms of religion. HOWEVER, didn't they just reprogram a cell versus actually creating artificial life?


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Tehra wrote:
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Tehra wrote:
Mayonaise wrote:
If life was artificially created, doesn't that officially debunk that whole religion thing?


what is life without purpose?


Who says life has purpose? No one knows if it does, religion is a placebo for people who can't deal with it.


What scares you more? That it doesn't, and you're in a land of chaos, or that it does, and you're astray?


Why would one be afraid of reality?
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Meh religion isn't really a crutch for creation

That's exactly what it is. Religion started out as "rational" explanations for the unknown. They didn't know about electricity 5 million years ago, they saw lightning and associated it to some supernatural presence. The same method is used for rationalizing death and what happens after it.


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Mayonaise wrote:
cziiki wrote:
Meh religion isn't really a crutch for creation

That's exactly what it is. Religion started out as "rational" explanations for the unknown. They didn't know about electricity 5 million years ago, they saw lightning and associated it to some supernatural presence. The same method is used for rationalizing death and what happens after it.


well yea, religion in general is just explaining the unexplainable, but like modern religion and such is more of just moral's and such. The bible isn't just one giant story about how shit was made (given most of it is), its that and then tales of shit about how people should live and such.

Dunno, agnostic here so personally i don't give 2 shits about religion and its been ages since i've touched a bible let alone read one.


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there is a limit to what humanity as a people will learn scientifically.

like picture a shoebox, and that's the entire amount of knowledge that we will collect EVER.

is it inconcievable that something is outside the box?


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