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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:04 pm  
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you can't prove religion is real


Burden of proof is on party making assertion


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Aestu wrote:
Dotzilla wrote:
you can't prove religion is real


Burden of proof is on party making assertion


The assertion is that god exists, and there's no proof.


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All I'm saying is that I don't disrespect anyone based on their beliefs. I don't criticize them. I don't think they are stupid. When you get my age, and you've met as many people as I have, you realize that there are many truths, all of them as real to those who believe them as yours are to you. Your belief in proof, and your condescension of anything remotely connected to faith is the popular stance, nowadays, and I respect your right to hold onto that. I just disagree with your disparagement of others' beliefs.

This all reminds me of the double slit experiment. The electron goes through the right slit, the left slit and neither slit. All is true. ;)


This is another example of why I love this board. This thread would have devolved and been nuked several posts ago.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
The assertion is that god exists, and there's no proof.



This depends on what an individual will accept as proof.


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Boredalt wrote:
All I'm saying is that I don't disrespect anyone based on their beliefs. I don't criticize them. I don't think they are stupid. When you get my age, and you've met as many people as I have, you realize that there are many truths, all of them as real to those who believe them as yours are to you. Your belief in proof, and your condescension of anything remotely connected to faith is the popular stance, nowadays, and I respect your right to hold onto that. I just disagree with your disparagement of others' beliefs.

This all reminds me of the double slit experiment. The electron goes through the right slit, the left slit and neither slit. All is true. ;)


This is another example of why I love this board. This thread would have devolved and been nuked several posts ago.


There are many religious people that I respect, but I don't respect their religion. There is an important difference there. The relativistic view that there are "many truths" smacks of intellectual cowardice to me.
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there's no proof that God DOESNT exist either.


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Usdk wrote:
there's no proof that God DOESNT exist either.

Right, but the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that there's some sort of cosmic force pulling the strings of everything in the universe.


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Mayonaise wrote:
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there's no proof that God DOESNT exist either.

Right, but the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that there's some sort of cosmic force pulling the strings of everything in the universe.


Which is how our justice system works, the prosecutors have to find evidence of guilt.

So if you hate atheism, you hate America* LOGIC.









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Mayonaise wrote:
Usdk wrote:
there's no proof that God DOESNT exist either.

Right, but the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that there's some sort of cosmic force pulling the strings of everything in the universe.


Why?


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Usdk wrote:
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Usdk wrote:
there's no proof that God DOESNT exist either.

Right, but the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that there's some sort of cosmic force pulling the strings of everything in the universe.


Why?


Because Y is a crooked letter.

Some of you are in for an interesting time.


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Usdk wrote:
Mayonaise wrote:
Usdk wrote:
there's no proof that God DOESNT exist either.

Right, but the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that there's some sort of cosmic force pulling the strings of everything in the universe.


Why?


If we were both in a room with the lights out and I said there was a dragon on the other side of the room, would you expect me to prove that the dragon exists or would you just take my word for it (in this hypothetical, assume that there's no way for either of us to turn the lights on)?


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Mayonaise wrote:
If we were both in a room with the lights out and I said there was a dragon on the other side of the room, would you expect me to prove that the dragon exists or would you just take my word for it (in this hypothetical, assume that there's no way for either of us to turn the lights on)?


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Aestu wrote:
Mayonaise wrote:
If we were both in a room with the lights out and I said there was a dragon on the other side of the room, would you expect me to prove that the dragon exists or would you just take my word for it (in this hypothetical, assume that there's no way for either of us to turn the lights on)?


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bad form aestu. your condescending retorts won't help your case. try to keep it civil.

to caveat onto what mayo was saying, the burden of proof exists only to those who hold the belief because, let's face it, anyone can MAKE a religion. ahem l ron hubbard. anyway, the point i was getting at is that if you feel it's your duty to create a religion or spread some divine message you received then most people will require some kind of proof. the people that don't, who believe something blindly with no proof whatsoever are crazy. from an atheistic standpoint, all religions sound ridiculous and offer no proof whatsoever. from my perspective, christianity offers no more proof than scientology, or the church of satan, which most "wholesome" religions denounce. what makes your religion better? or right? all of them offer no proof, a vague moral compass (except in the latter), and require you to give up time and money to men.


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I wasn't intending to be condescending or insulting - I don't even disagree with his point - I was being ironical.


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I actually got the reference from (iirc) an xkcd comic.


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