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How about their inability to assimilate with society?

Is this 20 Questions?

If i had a submarine i'd go sink boat people ships so they don't get to my country.

I'm so racist.

I wouldn't need a tow truck if the gas hadn't been siphoned in the first place, so that makes it kind of a moot point, now doesn't it?


I don't need evidence of anything to know that you're making assumptions other than evidence that your making assumptions...which you are. Also, Oyster Sales Fee? How many Latinos do you NOT know to come up with that one?



People are treating it as a problem because it's a problem, not "just because." I don't know how anyone could get more specific than:

Crime (drugs and dead ranchers and MS13...oh my!)
Exploitation of Migrant Populace (which you apparently endorse)
Pressure on Public Programs (schools and healthcare)
Pressure on Infrastructure (roads, housing, etc.)
Native Citizens are paying the tab (lost jobs to lower-paid workers who send the bulk of their earnings back to Mexico who pay no taxes here to support the services they're utilizing).

All of which have been mentioned in one form or another since the OP started this.

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This analogy is getting silly. Bringing it back to immigration, if illegal immigration is as harmful as you claim then the hypothetical gas has already been siphoned.




I think I'm making reasonable assumptions, given that the state's main income is from property and sales taxes, both of which are relatively difficult to evade. I could certainly be wrong, but in the absence of evidence one way or the other we nothing to go on except assumptions. The most parsimonious assumption here is that illegal immigrants pay these taxes at the same rate as citizens or legal immigrants. From your response it appears you don't have any reason to think otherwise.



I'm aware that those have been mentioned (although I'm not sure which of my statements leads you to believe that I support exploiting immigrant workers). However, stating that you think there might be a problem is not the same as presenting evidence that there is actually a problem. Even doing so repeatedly, and this thread has certainly been repetitive, does not advance your argument. Beyond the paper that Boredalt linked, nobody has offered a shred of evidence that any of the things you mention are true.

The analogy started silly, but I don't think you can complain because it was your analogy. The point is that the people in Arizona are tired of the crap and are doing something about it. I'd say "if you don't like it, move to Arizona and vote against it," but they'd probably just deport you for being Canadian. The racial-profile for Canadians is pretty much anything wearing flannel that talks a little odd and smells of maple syrup.




I have plenty of reason to think otherwise. Property taxes are generally only paid by property owners, and sales taxes are generally only paid when you buy at...participating retailers/licensed businesses...and there is a large underground economy in this country. You would not believe the things you could buy at a flea market here, and none of it is subject to a sales tax. You could argue that illegals "pay" property tax by way of their landlord/tenant relationship, but I don't think you can make a "fair share" argument given the condition of the sorts of dwellings they rent, which are generally run-down and would not assess at a rate similar to the dwellings owned by locals. This is overlooking how many illegals live in the rented space, which is generally what the average American would look at as "HOLYJESUSFUCKHOWDOTHEYALLLIVETHEREANDNOTKILLEACHOTHER?"



Well then:

You benefit because those people came to Canada and worked for less than the average Canadian would. You gained a benefit from this. That's exploitation,


Hey, if you want to believe it's all burritos and sombreros and that a flood of undereducated and extremely poor people rolling in doesn't cause any issues, that's fine. I'll assume since we're discussing this here, you has the interwebs in Canadia. You want somebody to prove something, fine. You prove to me that illegal immigration really isn't a problem. Until then, us dumb Americans are just going to handle this as we see fit until our wise and all-knowing friends from abroad inform us as to the appropriate and rainbow-friendly course of action...or until we have to come bail the rest of you out of some dumbassery in which you've become entangled.

I say Arizona didn't do enough by adopting the same standards used by the US Federal Government. It should have adopted the Mexican standards, complete with machine gun nests on their southern border.

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It was Eturnal's analogy, actually.



If you want to rely on anecdotes and stereotypes to concoct a story about how illegal immigrants evade taxes in ways that legal residents don't I can't really contest it. It appears we don't have the evidence to know what's true one way or the other. This is all secondary to the point I was making anyway.



I stated a fact about the nature of the construction industry here. That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing. It is curious that you think Canadians benefit from having illegal immigrants in our country, while at the same time claiming that Americans suffer great harm from having illegal immigrants in your country.



I don't have to prove anything. My major point throughout this thread has been that the belief that illegal immigration is harmful is not founded on any actual evidence, and you seem to be implicitly admitting that's true.

I just wanted to come in here and point out that every one of these "problems" with illegal immigrants are also created by wealthy conservative WASPs as well.

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except the wealthy pay taxes, buy their own healthcare, and a % of them go to private schools.


Oh, and they're here legally.

ITT: hippies vs capitalists

Crime and exploitation of migrants, maybe, but I don't really see the rest of those problems being caused by the affluent.

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Jubber

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AKA "ROFeraL"

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Actually it's those evil Jewish people that control the banks and media.

I hear the breathe dryer lint on the weekends and those little beanies on their heads protect them from their mindcontrol technology.

It's a shame because Mr. Hernandez was just an honest, hard-working man. He never meant to start any trouble.